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T3G said:
TMU is the one paying for the rebranding. They would not be buying rolling stock for the TTC.
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But the TTC could use the money TMU Ryerson paid them and add it to what the Feds threatened to cut back (again 😒)
 
81-717 said:
But the TTC could use the money TMU Ryerson paid them and add it to what the Feds threatened to cut back (again 😒)
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So you are suggesting that the school give the TTC free money that they then use to pay for trains?

1) What's in it for the school?
2) Why should I pay extra for stuff my tax dollars are already supposed to be buying?
 
81-717 said:
The school paid the TTC to do the renaming, didn't they? Or did they hire a 3rd party to do this?
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The school paid the TTC to do the renaming. But that money didn't settle into the TTC's general pool of revenue that they can now apply to new rolling stock purchases, that money was directly used to pay for the new materials and the labour required to do the renaming (and, I presume, the future stoneblasting of the station walls to make it look less makeshift than the current signs do).
 
T3G said:
If that is the case, then why not start naming stations for random sci fi/fantasy characters and books? Spock, Narnia, Harry Potter, Darth Vader would all be incredibly unique names.
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Vader Station or Reepicheep Station? Yes please!
 
Though I cling to several old names – SkyDome, Hurontario LRT – because they are unique and I have issues with what and how they got their new names, I’m not going to miss the name Dundas Station. The new name is fine. Dundas Street is still there in the signage.

Be thankful Cadillac Fairview didn’t get their chance, otherwise you’ll be stuck with “CF Toronto Eaton Centre Station” even if most people rightly just call it Eaton Centre.
 
T3G said:
TMU is the one paying for the rebranding.
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It’s such a stupid name for a subway station, destined to be pronounced TeaMoo. We might as well offer some merch. We don’t sign Vaughan Metropolitan Centre as VMC or North York Centre as NYC. Acronyms confuse newcomers and visitors, rather than help with directions.

And the former Ryerson University’s new moniker has a suspiciously O’Keefe Centre feel to it; with TMU as a generic placeholder until, like seemingly every medical facility in our city, it’s rebranded for some wealthy benefactor or prominent alumni.
 
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T3G said:
I think that depends entirely on whether you view station names as something that should be unique and stand out, or deliver information about where the place actually is. I lean towards the latter, so I think it would be much more helpful to actually spell outright what the place is.
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I'm more the former, where I think as long as the station signifier/name is unique it's findable.

Do you think TMU/Dundas Station should be Sankofa Square Station instead? Or Queen changed to Eaton Centre or Hudson's Bay Centre Station?

We've already done this Dundas (TMU) Station thing before with St. Andrew and Osgoode, adding (King) and (Queen) to them, along with adding (Yorkville) to Bay, at least on the signage at the platform level.
T3G said:
As for Tokyo, again, I'm not saying that you need to know what every local name means in Japanese, but don't you think it would be odd if you were travelling to Shinjuku station and the corresponding metro station was called MMJ, for Micron Memory Japan?
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It wouldn't matter that much, would it? My Tokyo comment was maybe partly sarcastic, but our stations correspond to streets more than neighbourhoods and so they can be a bit arbitrary at times (where on Dundas Street is Dundas Station?), and even more-so when they're named after things like St. Andrew or St. Patrick.
T3G said:
I just don't see the defence here. Why isn't York University station called YU? Why isn't Vaughan Metropolitan Centre VMC station? Pioneer Village = PV? Victoria Park = VP? Union Station = US? Bloor Yonge = BY? Royal York = RY?
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That's a question for TTC, but I don't see a need to acronym short places names (Victoria Park), whereas mouth-fulls like Vaughan Metropolitan Centre should absolutely just be VMC. I'd argue that TMU should be shortened as it's a looooong 13 syllables and would be shortened by anyone going there anyway.
 
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Question, when ATC was planned out for the subway. Wouldn’t it be possible to put ATC equipment on the Hawker Siddeley H4s, H5s and H6 subway cars? It’s like putting PTC or Positive Train Control on a GP38-2 and a SD40-2 and it works.
 
It does not matter what the station name is, as long as it's unique. Following any other kind of rule is silly. Should we rename St. Patrick to Dundas West? Dundas West to Dundas West West?

Whether TMU is an acronym also doesn't matter. If you were trying to get to TMU before the name change, either you knew it was by Dundas station, or you used navigation to get you to Dundas station. Neither case depends on the name. Why does it suddenly matter now that TMU is the name of the station?

For a similar reason, we don't call Line 1 the Yonge-University-Bloor-Spadina-Allen-diagonal-to-VMC line. Names don't need to serve a geographic purpose. They need to be easily identifiable and distinct so that someone telling you to go to Dundas West station doesn't get misheard, and you end up at Dundas station.
 
CMQSD402F9011 said:
Question, when ATC was planned out for the subway. Wouldn’t it be possible to put ATC equipment on the Hawker Siddeley H4s, H5s and H6 subway cars?
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Anything is possible if you want to spend enough money on it.

So yes, the older subway cars could have the full ATC/ATO system installed on them.

But the question is: why?

CMQSD402F9011 said:
It’s like putting PTC or Positive Train Control on a GP38-2 and a SD40-2 and it works.
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It is not. PTC is an overlay on an existing signal system, and the only system that it interfaces with onboard the train locomotive is the brakes. As well, there is a lot more room on a locomotive with which to fit new equipment that wasn't around when the thing was built. That's a much harder thing to do on a subway train, which is already designed to be shoehorned into a tunnel only slightly bigger than itself.

Dan
 
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