AlvinofDiaspar
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So much incompetence.
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evandyk
Senior Member
I heard about that in the elevator of my office tower. Talk of the town.
T3G
Senior Member
Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?
AHK
Senior Member
The King Spadina OCS damage is really extensive - so much so that, from comments on site, the damaged components are unrepairable - they must be cut down completely, and then rebuilt from scratch. It will take days, not hours.
The final photo does not show any damage, it was the sign in the passenger side front widow of the truck - just very appropriate under the circumstances:
A sign for the intersection:
The final photo does not show any damage, it was the sign in the passenger side front widow of the truck - just very appropriate under the circumstances:
A sign for the intersection:
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jje1000
Senior Member
I mean, between this and the general rise of accidents across the trucking industry in Ontario, I would imagine that part of this also relies on cracking down on the pay-for-licenses in the trucking industry as well as the immigration scheme-driven emergence of underqualified truck drivers from certain parts of the world.
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81-717
Active Member
Reminds me of all those trucks driving with their bed raised and hitting highway signs, or trucks getting stuck at rail crossings. Funny the first few times, but after the millionth time it gets old and just annoying when you're just asking yourself "how the hell does the exact same thing keep happening over and over again"
evandyk
Senior Member
The guy who closed the Burlington Skyway for four days went to jail for a year.
But the answer is, we just don't take damage caused by cars and trucks as seriously as we would if it was caused by anything else. We just call it an accident. Oooops! And we move on.
But the answer is, we just don't take damage caused by cars and trucks as seriously as we would if it was caused by anything else. We just call it an accident. Oooops! And we move on.
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
Shameful. It’s high time we see the pillory make a comeback.
In all seriousness, after many incidents of this sort with special purpose trucks (not specifically in Toronto), I think we need to pass on some liability beyond the drivers to see some changes made. In this instance I think GFL or their vehicle supplier should consider introducing interlocking mechanisms to prevent exceeding say 5-10 km/h with arms raised. Consider even more obvious status indication to drivers.
At the least, studies should be performed. What is the cost of a safety retrofit on 300 Toronto waste collection vehicles vs. the full, indirect costs of this one incident.
In all seriousness, after many incidents of this sort with special purpose trucks (not specifically in Toronto), I think we need to pass on some liability beyond the drivers to see some changes made. In this instance I think GFL or their vehicle supplier should consider introducing interlocking mechanisms to prevent exceeding say 5-10 km/h with arms raised. Consider even more obvious status indication to drivers.
At the least, studies should be performed. What is the cost of a safety retrofit on 300 Toronto waste collection vehicles vs. the full, indirect costs of this one incident.
evandyk
Senior Member
I imagine this is going to have a significant impact on GFL's insurance premiums. But some insurer should be made to pay the full cost of this so they incentivize the industry to make changes. Unfortunately, the indirect costs to the people delayed/inconvenienced due to this will never be considered. Unless there's an enterprising class action lawyer out there who wants to take this on.
Northern Light
Superstar
Its not just the 'arms raised' issue.......though that would have likely done much the same damage here if that were the extent of it............
Look at the image..........he's still got the @#$% bin up in the air.........
The driver left a job site with the bin on the arms, in the air...............
jje1000
Senior Member
Strange how there's no mention of fines for whatever trucking firm/transport company hired him?
gabe
Senior Member
Yep! These companies pay like crap and have a revolving door of bottom of the barrel workers. You got a pulse and two legs you're hired. Just in my area the power-lines have been take out twice this year by incompetent drivers who forgot to put the forks down as they were exiting strip mall parking lot! I was also stuck on bus in traffic last year when a truck's forks took out the traffic light.
Richard White
Senior Member
TTCdinosaur
Active Member
Terribly - is the obvious answer.
max
Active Member
This is right on.
Sadly, don't see just punishing the drivers as something that will solve any of this. As noted above the Skyway guy got jail time, presumably he isn't employable in the industry, and none of this is enough of a deterrent.
It's time we recognized that it's 2024 and that somebody can make a computer that will either immobile or speed limit trucks when their bins/forks/protrusions are raised. Having an alarm isn't enough, and they get tampered with and we get situations like this. The regulator (or the insurance industry) needs to push trucking towards solving this issue once and for all.
