turbanplanner
Senior Member
Have you ever actually used the app lol? I feel like it's hard to get an accurate idea of how bad things are. I feel like the only thing that's changed is peer pressure is more constant now.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Another one bites the dust:
toronto.citynews.ca
TikTok or wherever these sociopathic trends starts need a cleanse.
AoD
Boy, 16, charged for using firecrackers on TTC busses
It's alleged the 16-year-old boy threw firecrackers from the bus into a crowd of people waiting at a bus stop in Scarborough.
toronto.citynews.ca
TikTok or wherever these sociopathic trends starts need a cleanse.
AoD
turbanplanner
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I find it funny that so many people here who probably never use this app seems to think it’s the only reason kids are acting dumb!Another one bites the dust:
Boy, 16, charged for using firecrackers on TTC busses
It's alleged the 16-year-old boy threw firecrackers from the bus into a crowd of people waiting at a bus stop in Scarborough.
TikTok or wherever these sociopathic trends starts need a cleanse.
AoD
Kids were jumping between classroom and remote learning for years now! Kids have a lot of stupid energy and it’s all coming out at the same time now that they’re all together. Even if you somehow managed to ban all social media, they congregate together every day they’re going to get peer pressure and stupid ideas in person!
dkt
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Makes you wonder whether storage of random junk and an inefficiently allocated parking lot is the best use of this valuable space near a subway station... seems like they could be using half the space if they wanted
Northern Light
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Site is being 'redeveloped' by CreateTO, but TTC will be maintaining an on-site presence; though probably less ft2.
Consolidated 54/55 Division, Housing Now @ TTC Danforth Garage Site
Community meeting before design begins on Danforth Avenue station Toronto Police are holding a town hall to discuss the design of their new 55 Division Station, planned for 1627 Danforth Ave. The virtual meeting is to be held Jan 24 from 6:30 to 8 p.m. This is to be an introductory meeting...
AlvinofDiaspar
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Of course they do, kids are kids - but these ones aren't recording themselves in the act for no reason.
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TTC shares new details for Bloor-Yonge station expansion project, including plans for platform-edge doors
Major construction for the project, pegged at $1.5 billion, is scheduled to begin next year.
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TTC shares new details for Bloor-Yonge station expansion project, including plans for platform-edge doors
Major construction for the project, pegged at $1.5 billion, is scheduled to begin next year.
max
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The one saving grace of these trends is that they teach kids to provide all necessary documentation of the crime committed for authorities to retrieve at a later time.
turbanplanner
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littlewill1166
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They're also soft on kids based on what I saw sitting at 311 Jarvis. The guards were like "these kids spit on and abuse us" when the Justice of the Peace I met was like "we need to provide enrichment like books in their cells so there not just sitting there doing nothing, they're just kids".
Cambry Ardship
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That is a monstrous and cruel attitude to children in the criminal justice system.
Undead
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As opposed to sympathy for perps? These 
kids launched fireworks inside a packed bus. At some point you gotta make an example out of someone to scare off others inclined to similar acts. And the parents need to get charged.
kids launched fireworks inside a packed bus. At some point you gotta make an example out of someone to scare off others inclined to similar acts. And the parents need to get charged.
Cambry Ardship
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Retribution is not justice. And what crime did the parents commit?
The children are being charged with mischief. That is a very serious offence. The TTC and the justice system seem to be dealing with the matter swiftly and appropriately.
The children are being charged with mischief. That is a very serious offence. The TTC and the justice system seem to be dealing with the matter swiftly and appropriately.
Undead
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I don't think anyone's talking about retribution. I think it makes sense to place some measure of responsibility on parents when their underage child (for which they're legally responsible) gets into legal trouble.
Glad to hear. I'd be interested in a detailed study to see if this kind of behaviour is more prevalent in recent years, the connection (or lack of one) with social media, etc. Understanding the issue would help prevent future incidents like this.
Northern Light
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As opposed to sympathy for perps? These
There is an in-between space.
One where you can support:
a) Charging/Arresting/Holding Accountable those who commit a criminal act
b) Support maintaining public order, and upholding the law
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But equally:
c) You can understand that the offender will be released back into society at some point, no matter how serious the offense (baring a 'dangerous offender' designation) and that it behooves
us to make sure that offender is more grateful to a system that helped put them on the right path and finds themselves capable of finishing school and getting a job; vs just having a giant chip on their
shoulder and being incapable of self-support.
d) Be aware that culpability has limits, and this is exceptionally important in the case of a child if you are also saying that they are a young adult, capable of being held responsible for their own actions, and the contradiction of then also
holding their parents, or teachers or bosses also responsible. Which is it? If the teen's parents are responsible shouldn't the child be not criminally responsible?
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To be clear, I am absolutely concerned that there maybe a problem w/parenting in the case of a criminally misbehaving child; but unless the parent provided the child a fire work/weapon, instructed them to get it and how, provided the money etc. I don't see a basis for criminal charges. In the above case, one might face some type of charge akin to 'conspiracy' , ' aid and abet' ; or 'Criminal Facilitation'.
The problem, at law with holding a parent responsible where the above is not the case is not merely one of trying to assign legal responsibility for one act to two or more different people where the second person was not involved;
Its that in general, a criminal offense requires mens rea, and acteus reus. The Guilty Mind' and 'The Guilty Action'.
So you need to establish the the parent either did something criminal/facilitated same, but also that they did so knowing what the effect would be. (A reasonable person test may apply in terms of what one would expect someone to know)
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I'm not a bleeding heart when it comes to dealing with those who behave violently; but I am stickler for the idea that legal principles matter, consistency matters, and so does pragmatism. The latter meaning that the principle goal of the criminal justice system is not suppose to be punishment, but rather prevention of recurrence.
That may necessarily involve some measure of punishment, but its the end goal that is paramount.
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As apart from any actual criminal action by a parent; i think 'problematic parenting' or their potential of same ought, in such circumstances to be considered by a social worker home visit and parental interview, along with interviewing the child, as legal circumstances permit.
If the issue, for instance were a single parent, working 2 jobs, incapable of literally supervising their teen, the consideration might be how we could help that parent obtain better paying employment, or providing an afterschool program or some other form of supervision of their child for extended hours.
If the issue were that the parent had good intentions, but didn't have good instincts or knowledge on how to handle discipline issues, perhaps there's a course, or resources that could be provided them.
If the parent is clearly the problem (criminal element, serious addiction issues, abusive); they should be held accountable for their own conduct in that regard, and in the most extreme situations we may need to find the child a different home.
Though as that rarely goes well, we should do that as a last resort.
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A final thought though.........Former PM Chretien, who most considered a decent, law-abiding sort on the whole..........had one child who was arrested while he was PM (the child by then was an adult). Should we have 'charged' the sitting PM because his child was a criminal?
Chrétien's adopted son accused of sex assault
The adopted son of the Canadian Prime Minister, Jean Chrétien, has been charged with sexually assaulting an 18-year-old girl in an apartment in the Arctic city of Yellowknife.
www.theguardian.com
Read the story and squirm a bit. There's moral ambiguity there. We don't know how that child ended up that way; but presumably charging Jean Chretien would not have been a legally viable or just answer in respect of his son's conduct.
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