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T3G said:
Why did the TTC spend money to redo their livery when the old one worked just fine?
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The logo is original and over 100 years old. The livery has changed several times, and only changed after nearly 40 years (streetcar not bus but applied to all) when they had a fresh start with the new streetcars.
 
turbanplanner said:
The logo is original and over 100 years old. The livery has changed several times, and only changed after nearly 40 years (streetcar not bus but applied to all) when they had a fresh start with the new streetcars.
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Exactly it made sense at the time to make everything look the same it's like what Metrolinx is currently doing with the Go trains when they refurbish the older cars.
 
T3G said:
Why did the TTC spend money to redo their livery when the old one worked just fine?
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The old levery depend on which vehicle it was on before the CLRV and ALRVs everything was maroon and cream (the colours of the PCC streetcars). Also they changed it up because they came up with the design they didn't take the advice of an unsolicited third party which in the article they clearly state that they are, if the TTC was going to redesign It's logo there would likely have to be a public counsaltaion on it because of them being owned by the city of Toronto so they can't just take a design from anyone who has an idea for that. Also compines for copyright and trademark reasons do not take unsolicited ideas.
 
turbanplanner said:
The logo is original and over 100 years old. The livery has changed several times, and only changed after nearly 40 years (streetcar not bus but applied to all) when they had a fresh start with the new streetcars.
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I don't think the age of the logo is pertinent... there are lots of companies that have changed out long standing logos.

Look, I'm not saying it's 100%. But clearly things are so good in this city that branding is something we have to concern ourselves with, and I don't at all trust the Mickey Mouse management of the TTC not to explore such a thing in lieu of doing something valuable for the city. Have we forgotten the utterly baffling branch relettering of 2014? And that was under Byford, to boot! Can you imagine if Rick Leary got his hands on such a project?
 
T3G said:
Have we forgotten the utterly baffling branch relettering of 2014?
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What do you mean by that? The whole idea was to make them make more sense like for example the A route instead of being a branch of the main route became the main route and then each of the branches after that took on B thorough whatever. Also having digital signs on all vechels ment that they could now display routes with better information like for example on streetcars now they can put exactly where it's turning instead of something that not many people understand if it's off the main route.
 
Yeah, the branch relettering simplified things. The A branch is now always the longest, “main” branch. At the same time, some new routes were spun off of branches, particularly on Wilson Avenue, where there were branches from 96A through 96G. Now there are just 3 branches.
 
T3G said:
Why did the TTC spend money to redo their livery when the old one worked just fine?
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The new scheme is cheaper and simpler. As much as a branding exercise, it's a cost-saving exercise.

Just like the previous one was cheaper and simpler than the one before.

Dan
 
W. K. Lis said:
As of this date, November 1, 2022, we still have no, zero, nothing about public meetings scheduled for the Toronto Transit Commission Board of Commissioners meetings (which would be linked here). Last one was on July 14, 2022. Is this the new "normal"?
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They never meet during election period I think and doubt they will meet before the new Council takes office and appoints their members.

Frankly, the Board are pretty (or very!) useless and seldom challenge staff so it's business as usual!
 
DSC said:
Frankly, the Board are pretty (or very!) useless and seldom challenge staff so it's business as usual!
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Some don't - but there are often some pretty pointed questions at times. Far more than at Metrolinx!

They certainly were raking the TTC CEO over the coals after they failed to tell the board about the near-accident on Line 1 last year (2020?).
 
nfitz said:
Some don't - but there are often some pretty pointed questions at times. Far more than at Metrolinx!

They certainly were raking the TTC CEO over the coals after they failed to tell the board about the near-accident on Line 1 last year (2020?).
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And for those who are unfamiliar with the near miss, here's a couple (grainy) images as to just how catastrophically close we were to a serious accident (I cant upload video clips unfortunately). Note the train whose camera this was filmed from was just about to enter the crossover track entering the station, when a service train was entering the station at the same time:

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Between this near miss and the incident at Keele Yard, I have no idea how no heads were rolled.
 
W. K. Lis said:
As of this date, November 1, 2022, we still have no, zero, nothing about public meetings scheduled for the Toronto Transit Commission Board of Commissioners meetings (which would be linked here). Last one was on July 14, 2022. Is this the new "normal"?
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This happens every election year. The new Council isn't seated until November 15. And the first council meeting isn't until November 23! No way they can meet until December.

It doesn't look like they met until January 2019 after the 2018 election - https://www.ttc.ca/public-meetings?...aterangefacet=Past&past_contentyearfacet=2018

In the meantime, TTC are still issuing the monthly CEO's report: https://www.ttc.ca/transparency-and-accountability/CEOs-Report
 
DSC said:
They never meet during election period I think and doubt they will meet before the new Council takes office and appoints their members.

Frankly, the Board are pretty (or very!) useless and seldom challenge staff so it's business as usual!
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Didn't help when we had non-transit users like Denzil Minnan-Wong on the TTC board. The new council term starts November 15, 2022. First council meeting is November 22, 2022. Have no idea when the first TTC board meeting is.
 
W. K. Lis said:
The new council term starts November 15, 2022. First council meeting is November 22, 2022. Have no idea when the first TTC board meeting is.
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I'd think it would be at the discretion of the Board Chair. And as the Striking Committee doesn't sit until November 23 - I'd say mid-December 2022 is the earliest. I'd think looking at the 2018, 2014, and 2010 schedules would give an idea.
 
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