TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[drum118]

The CEO of TTC wants all streetcars routes on the subway map and it goes back to when Adam was chair of TTC.

No reason for not putting a GO station on the Map if it connects to the subway in the first place.

Not everyone is going downtown from the airport and they would like to know the various connection point for the UPX or other transit from the airport.

Less than 10% of visitors from the airport go downtown.

 

[GenerationW]

Only 3 stations of the Spadina extension are located in Toronto, so there is minimal change in northwest part of the map - which means still largely empty.

Four in Toronto, two in York Region.

 

[johntauren]

Four in Toronto, two in York Region.

One right on the border.

 

[salsa]

Four in Toronto, two in York Region.

Not that it has any relevance to the amount of space on the subway map. ksun seems to be on an ignorance binge these past few days on a number of topics.

 

[nfitz]

One right on the border.

The main entrance and TTC bus loop are in Toronto. Virtually all the walk-in demand will be to the adjacent York University and Black Creek Pioneer Village, all 100% in Toronto. This stop was always envision when this was a 100% Toronto project, before York Region got involved.

 

[salsa]

 

[TheTigerMaster]

why not? This bus covers 15km of distance in 20 minutes.
It takes the BD line 27 minutes to travel from Yonge to Kipling, a distance of 13km. The bus is definitely more RAPID than the BD line.

Yes, but this bus route is not rapid transit.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8648/15820340240_6b9c34dc0f_o.jpg

This really rubs me the wrong way. This isn't even a major route. Relatively few people use it. It has no place on that map.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

this is the more or less accepted definition of rapid transit "Rapid transit is a type of high-capacity public transport generally found in urban areas. Unlike buses, trams or light rail, rapid transit systems are electric railways that operate on an exclusive right-of-way, which cannot be accessed by pedestrians or other vehicles of any sort, and which is often grade separated in tunnels or on elevated railways."

Capacity, electric and lack of ROW is why the 192 rocket shouldn't be construed as "rapid transit".

Funny that the definition doesn't say anything about rapid as if speed doesn't matter, but I guess it is somewhat implied by having "exclusive right of way". However, Toronto seems to have the knack of disqualifying an otherwise rapid transit by deliberately making it slow moving despite having all the traits rapid transit should have. Case in point is the 510 and 512 - high capacity, check, ROW, check, electric, check, rapid? On the contrary.

I've complained about this multiple times. The word 'rapid transit' is a complete lie. There's nothing inherently rapid about RT. Protected Transit would be a more appropriate.

Case in point is the 510 and 512 - high capacity, check, ROW, check, electric, check, rapid? On the contrary.

510 and 512 are designed to be local routes (not RT). There's no pressing need for RT on Spadina or St. Clair (in my opinion).

 

[nfitz]

Yes, but this bus route is not rapid transit.

That definition is very clearly erronous though, because i precludes Bus Rapid Transit from ever being Rapid Transit.

No one would actually however claim that Bus Rapid Transit wasn't Rapid Transit though.

If you look elsewhere on the same website, they do contradict the first page, with this one.

I'd suggest fixing that site, that's clearly wrong.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

506 is the same speed as 512:
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/RouteSpeeds201010.pdf

That's surprising, since 506 doesn't use a ROW. 506 is also faster than 510. I wonder why that is.

 

[nfitz]

I disagree. With a RT system that will likely look like this in 15 years ...

I'm surprised you actually believe every politicians promise. I'm more surprised you don't think there'll be service to Vaughan Centre in 15 years!

 

[TheTigerMaster]

That definition is very clearly erronous though, because i precludes Bus Rapid Transit from ever being Rapid Transit.

No one would actually however claim that Bus Rapid Transit wasn't Rapid Transit though.

If you look elsewhere on the same website, they do contradict the first page, with this one.

I'd suggest fixing that site, that's clearly wrong.

Well there is this definition of RT from Webs

a system of public transportation in a metropolitan area, usually a subway or elevated train system.

I don't think there is an agreed upon definition of RT. Transit agencies seem to make RT whatever they want it to be.

 

[LNahid2000]

That's surprising, since 506 doesn't use a ROW. 506 is also faster than 510. I wonder why that is.

The 510 is slow because there are a lot of intersections with other streetcar routes, and the driver has to check the switch at every intersection before proceeding, resulting in having to stop at almost every red light. A lot of intersections in general doesn't help either.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I deleted the post you responded to. I reposted it below.

I'm surprised you actually believe every politicians promise.

I never said I believed their promise. I said it would likely look like that in 15 years. If I believed their promise, I would have asserted my confidence in my statement.

I'm more surprised you don't think there'll be service to Vaughan Centre in 15 years!

I said it would look like that in 15 years. That means that those 13 RT lines can be operational in 15 years or less