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Don't make it sound like the riders complaining are unreasonable - they are complaining because there are too many people on their bus by social distancing public health measures. The inability (or unwillingness) by the City/TTC to ameliorate that is the issue, not the riders complaining.

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It's only some rider that seems to have a problem with it if you really have aproblem with it being crowdeed then find another way to get around the city or just suck it up and put on a mask and don't complain on social media about it. I honestly think that it's the same people who complain about it being crowded on any other day before Covid and it has nothing to do with it.
 
I ride the TTC often and have since July the vast majority of people do wear masks it's a very small minority of people who don't or wear them improperly.

With the numbers TTC is dealing with on a daily basis - a small minority of people aren't all that few.

It's only some rider that seems to have a problem with it if you really have aproblem with it being crowdeed then find another way to get around the city or just suck it up and put on a mask and don't complain on social media about it. I honestly think that it's the same people who complain about it being crowded on any other day before Covid and it has nothing to do with it.

It's always just *some* rider that have a problem with TTC, never TTC itself, isn't it? Like it was never TTC's fault that no one can hear the station stop announcements, only those with bona fide handicaps that are troublerousers, right? How dare they complain all the way to the OHRC for something as basic as this!

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In Defense of Transit: New APTA report finds no link between coronavirus cases and public transit

From link.

It’s been hard to resist starting every post focusing on the MTA’s current ridership situation and budget woes with the sentence, “It’s been a rough few months for transit,” but it’s been a rough few months for transit. Often associated with the hoi polloi and dirty masses, most transit systems didn’t have reputations for cleanliness before the pandemic and whether fairly or not, quickly become associated with the spread of disease as the pandemic descended on the world.

After a spring in which a spurious MIT study that relied heavily on a correlation/causation error drove the conversation, a group of pro-transit researchers are fighting back, and in a new study released by the American Public Transportation Association, they report no known links between coronavirus cases and public transit.

“As of August 2020, no outbreaks have been traced to public transit in the United States,” the report, authored by New York’s own Sam Schwartz, said. “Based on our data review of case rates and transit usage in domestic cities, the correlation between infection rates and transit usage is weak or non-existent.”

Schwartz’s survey of current pandemic experiences is part of a larger report on transit-related best practices for the COVID-19 era, and you can access the report here as a PDF. It’s very much yet another attempt to change the narrative. The MIT study came out early in April, and despite debunking by Alon Levy and Aaron Gordon, two well-respected voices within the transit community, it set the stage for months of American fears over transit.

Nearly immediately, many one-time transit riders relied upon the MIT study to reinforce ideas that transit isn’t safe and is a source of spread. Even now, seven months after New York started working from home en masse, subway ridership is only around 1.7-1.8 million per day, approximately 30% of normal, and many New Yorkers have said their commute is the biggest barrier to returning to work. The problem is one of psychology and one of science. I understand why people may be hesitant to ride the subway or hop a bus where they may have less control over everyone around them, but sitting in a poorly ventilated office with other people for 8-10 hours a day is more dangerous than the ride shorter to get there. Schwartz is trying to prove it.

Schwartz has to overcome the challenges of proving a negative, and he makes a compelling case. He looks at transit agencies large and small, from NYC to Hartford to the Quad Cities to Northern Kentucky. In each case, after lockdowns eased, increased transit ridership hasn’t corresponded to an uptick in coronavirus cases. Since the spring at least, when mask mandates were instituted and social distancing became the norm, careful transit usage coupled with disinfectant procedures haven’t led to an uptick in positive tests. Here’s Schwartz’s conclusion:

COVID-19 rates appear to be independent of ridership: in Northeast cities such as Hartford, Connecticut and New York, New York where the pandemic has been largely controlled, ridership has grown since peak pandemic low points, but case rates have been significantly reduced. Meanwhile, in Southern, Southwestern, and Midwestern cities, ridership has remained consistent while cases have skyrocketed. These areas are experiencing serious community outbreaks primarily attributed by public health experts to the reopening of bars and restaurants, large gatherings, nursing homes, prisons, and community fatigue of physical distancing practices. In fact, of the fifteen metro areas with the highest cumulative case rates as of August 2020, not one had a typical commuter transit share more than 5%, and most have minimal transit services with very light usage.​

What Schwartz cannot ascertain and what will always remain unanswered is whether transit had a role in community spread before we had a better understanding of the science behind COVID-19. It’s generally accepted that the virus was in the U.S. long before the middle of March, and 5.5 million people were riding the subways each day well into early March and long before we knew how effective masks were at slowing the spread. Schwartz even admits as much, noting that “public transit has some characteristics associated with higher COVID-19 transmission risk, including the potential for crowding in enclosed environments on trains, buses and indoor stations.” Ultimately, though, masks, a lack of talking, frequent air replacement and a steady flow of passengers mitigates against risks today whether or not the trains helped spread the virus in March. Based on what we know now, so long as most riders are masked, it’s safe to ride transit.

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But will this report matter? That is a question I can’t answer. People’s fears about COVID-19 are fairly baked in right now, and while mayoral candidates are making a show of riding trains, neither Bill de Blasio nor Andrew Cuomo have issued full-throated defenses of subways lately. For better or worse, potential transit riders take their cues from leadership, and leadership is wavering. Still, Schwartz’s study and overview reinforces what many of us have been saying: With proper precautions and a smart approach to personal and communal care, transit trips are no more riskier than any other activity these days.

The final wild card in this psychological battle for the minds of transit riders is, of course, the Trump Administration. Hardly allies to cities and transit riders, the White House has blocked a national order requiring face masks on all transit hubs. Instead, it’s up to localities to approve and enforce these orders. At a local level, the MTA is also prohibited from applying for a federal grant to study how to combat coronavirus spread on transit, as Politico reported late last week.

We’ll know more about this development on Monday, but this is the heigh of petty politics. Despite its flaws, the MTA is best suited to understand how to combat COVID on transit, and the fact that they can’t apply for this grant because the Trump Administration is playing politics with public health three weeks before the election is a travesty. Still, we know the answers — masks, constant service, less talking, ventilation and high-quality air filters. That’s how transit is safe, and that’s why you could ride the subways today without worrying too much about putting your health at risk.
 
Well, there about 50 buses in storage at McNicoll Bus Garage where a number are artic that could boost service once more drivers are recall.

My oh my has buses fallen Leary bus trees???
 
Watching Rick Leary being interviewed, I'm thinking someone is going to be reassigned away from the Twitter desk.

That's just a sacrificial lamb - where's the meat of TTC actually trying (even if they can't be perfect) to make a meaningful difference?

And if every bus is full? Walk?

I think you might have missed my sarcasm.

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That's just a sacrificial lamb - where's the meat of TTC actually trying (even if they can't be perfect) to make a meaningful difference?

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Totally, they need to actually do something. I just thought watching him almost visibly grind his teeth while being interviewed was amusing, as was Tory calling them out.
 
Anyone have any insight on the transit situation in really dense Asian cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong? What’s the risk of transmission on their systems?

I have a feeling mask wearing plays a huge part. While I say mask compliance has been pretty good in my experience on the TTC (in Scarborough), I think it’s time they start enforcing it. Physical distancing on public transit was never truly possible—even during the height of the pandemic.
 

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