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Richard White said:
I wonder if stations like Warden or Islington will ever be done. They are more likely to get knocked down than they are retrofitted and nothing has gotten off the ground in that regard.
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The bus terminals at both stations will be demolished.

They are penciled in as the last two stations to be done, in part because they are the most extensive and expensive (since VP).

Islington also requires the shift of some service over to the new Kipling in order to carry out the work.

Both stations are also to be done either in conjunction with, or in a manner that will support future towers on site.
 
Northern Light said:
The bus terminals at both stations will be demolished.

They are penciled in as the last two stations to be done, in part because they are the most extensive and expensive (since VP).

Islington also requires the shift of some service over to the new Kipling in order to carry out the work.

Both stations are also to be done either in conjunction with, or in a manner that will support future towers on site.
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I recall when they tore down VP and that was an endeavor unto itself. The bus platforms were a pain in the butt during the construction.

I was standing at the Albion Avenue exit when they tore down the roof over Bay 1. The excavator pulled down the roof the bay and the sound it made hitting the floor the bay was deafening.
 
steveintoronto said:
Good article up at Spacing:
If you think Toronto’s transit is overly politicized, you’re right.
DECEMBER 5, 2018 | BY TRICIA WOOD

http://spacing.ca/toronto/2018/12/0...os-transit-is-overly-politicized-youre-right/
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The article brings up a good point about the NYC transit system. It is a creature of the state and falling apart. Anyone who has ever been to NYC can tell you how bad the system there is in terms of infrastructure.

Do we really want a system run by the province? Uploading the TTC will only lead to the pursuit of pet projects and "efficiencies". Inevitably it will lead to another Russell Hill because of people looking at the numbers and not reality.
 
Richard White said:
The article brings up a good point about the NYC transit system. It is a creature of the state and falling apart. Anyone who has ever been to NYC can tell you how bad the system there is in terms of infrastructure.

Do we really want a system run by the province? Uploading the TTC will only lead to the pursuit of pet projects and "efficiencies". Inevitably it will lead to another Russell Hill because of people looking at the numbers and not reality.
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To those who don't know what is meant by "Russell Hill", see link.

At 6:02 p.m. on Friday, August 11, 1995, a subway train running southbound on Line 1 Yonge–University ran into the rear of a stationary train halfway between St. Clair West and Dupont stations. There were between 200 and 300 passengers on the two trains, of whom three (Christina Munar Reyes, 33; Kinga Szabo, 43; and Xian Hui Lin, 23) were killed and 30 taken to hospital with injuries; about 100 more later filed injury claims against the TTC. Many of the seriously injured were extracted from the twisted remains of the most damaged subway cars by rescue workers who worked through the evening under extremely hot and humid conditions. Of the four crew members, three were taken to hospital with injuries.
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The jury at the coroner's inquest produced 18 recommendations:
  1. Reform of the Railways Act (1950) to provide oversight of the Toronto Transit Commission.
  2. The TTC should submit to an independent safety audit every two years, beyond that done by APTA. This independent agency will be set up under the revised Railway Act.
  3. Completion of the "Due Diligence Checklist" of deficiencies identified by the TTC.
  4. The Province and Metro commit to a "State of Good Repair" funding policy; repair to take precedence over new works (see Line 4 Sheppard); future capital funding based on the State of Good Repair. The jury indicated that underfunding since the mid-1980s has contributed to the deterioration of the system and had jeopardized the safety of the Toronto Transit Commission.
  5. Improvements to the Operations Training Centre starting with the hiring of an accredited adult training specialist. The updated training package should include at least: realistic pass / fail grading, annual refresher for all operators, emphasis on the meaning of the signal system, route supervisory accompaniment for at least one day of complete runs after training completion.
  6. An updated Operations Training Centre to include a suitable subway simulator.
  7. A comprehensive review of the signal system with emphasis in the following areas: Lunar Whites, removal of signal identification markers, consistent placement of signal aspects, progressive speed control, expansion of IPHC to identify headway and train separation, all trip valves activated and relocation of reset.
  8. Elimination of auto key-by facility and implementation of raised trip arm immediately after train has passed.
  9. Advanced implementation of the new subway communications system.
  10. Improved communication within the organisation.
  11. A new Transit Control Centre including the updating of the skills of TTC staff.
  12. The current Transit Control Centre should only be responsible for Operations. Such things as intrusion alarms, facility maintenance, public information, media relations and other related concerns should be handled by an adjacent facility.
  13. Emergency response exercise every five years with "everybody". Yearly reviews by the Safety department
  14. Improved predictive and preventative maintenance with computer assist where applicable.
  15. Review of equipment procurement with respect to quality control. The procurement of cheap equipment (the Ericsson train stops) is a misuse of resources and a serious safety issue.
  16. Traceable design criteria and standards for track, signal and subway cars. No modifications without approval of design review authority.
  17. Train operators and the TTC must identify signal malfunctions by signal identification numbers. Review of the discipline system to allow for signal malfunctions. Operators reporting for duty to meet an inspector so that "State of the road" information can be passed on. Rookie operators not to be scheduled together.
  18. The office of the Chief Coroner is to convene a press conference one year hence to provide all parties with an update on the implementation of these recommendations.
The 18 recommendations were taken by the TTC and turned into a 236-point 'Due Diligence Checklist' of items to be addressed. Each year the Toronto Transit Commission receives a report on the outstanding items. By 2009, only 2 of the recommendations had yet to be completed. By 2015, all 236 recommendations had been implemented.
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Sorry Ford Nation disciples, most of those recommendations cost money, and some continue to cost money, and shouldn't be cut, cut, cut.
 
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I saw the ATC in action today at Dupont - one train is leaving the station and another is right behind crawling into the station. So it appears they are leaving a the equiv of four cars between the trains, atleast when one is entering as the other is leaving.
 
When VP was built, provision was made for a tower on that site and no one has come forth to build it yet. The same thing will happen to both Warden and Islington, but TTC wants an office tower at Islington, even if still 25 years down the road.

If the plan remains for Islington, the new terminal will be only for TTC bus routes with a possibility of a miWay route carrying onto it after stopping at Kipling. About 500 miWay riders live and work in the Islington area and this route would deal with the one stop fare issue. The new terminal will be next to CP tracks and north of the current location.

Come 2020, the Islington bus terminal will be torn down after miWay moves to Kipling. TTC buses will use the south platform until the new terminal is built or be part of a new development for the site.

At this time, Tridel is looking at developing the Islington site and it will not happen until the north development is completed in the next few years. Either the new bus terminal is built first or a new development on the site and only then the station can become an accessibility station by 2025.

Based on what plan for Six Point and lack of a developer for an office tower for the site, condos and rental towers will be built there. I hope a grocery store is part of the redevelopment for the site. One also hope TTC puts back the washroom that used to be there.

I do have photos and videos of VP before work started on it as well coming down and being built. It was a fun time getting around that construction mess and seeing things come down.
 
Richard White said:
I wonder if stations like Warden or Islington will ever be done. They are more likely to get knocked down than they are retrofitted and nothing has gotten off the ground in that regard.
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Both will be among the last accessible stations, with consturtion ( likely ) starting in 2022/2023, and it being ready for late 2024/January 2025 ( again, this is just a guess, don't automatically think this is what is going to happen )
 
Kitsune said:
I saw the ATC in action today at Dupont - one train is leaving the station and another is right behind crawling into the station. So it appears they are leaving a the equiv of four cars between the trains, atleast when one is entering as the other is leaving.
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The minimum distance between trains varies depending on how fast or slow they are moving. In a situation like that, where both are moving at low speeds, the system will allow the following train to get quite close to the rear of the previous one.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
drum118 said:
When VP was built, provision was made for a tower on that site and no one has come forth to build it yet. The same thing will happen to both Warden and Islington, but TTC wants an office tower at Islington, even if still 25 years down the road.

If the plan remains for Islington, the new terminal will be only for TTC bus routes with a possibility of a miWay route carrying onto it after stopping at Kipling. About 500 miWay riders live and work in the Islington area and this route would deal with the one stop fare issue. The new terminal will be next to CP tracks and north of the current location.

Come 2020, the Islington bus terminal will be torn down after miWay moves to Kipling. TTC buses will use the south platform until the new terminal is built or be part of a new development for the site.

At this time, Tridel is looking at developing the Islington site and it will not happen until the north development is completed in the next few years. Either the new bus terminal is built first or a new development on the site and only then the station can become an accessibility station by 2025.

Based on what plan for Six Point and lack of a developer for an office tower for the site, condos and rental towers will be built there. I hope a grocery store is part of the redevelopment for the site. One also hope TTC puts back the washroom that used to be there.

I do have photos and videos of VP before work started on it as well coming down and being built. It was a fun time getting around that construction mess and seeing things come down.
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Drum, you are correct. The likelihood that Islington and Warden's bus terminals will have to be knocked down is high, and that way, they only have to build 3, not 1 million elevators.
 
Both Islington and Warden's bus bays will be dismantled and replaced. As already mentioned, Islington's bus bays are crumbling apart, while in Warden's case there is no way elevators can service all of it's bus bays.
 
mikeydale007 said:
Islington Bus terminal is literally falling apart. They've had to permanently close two of the bus bays already. It will definitely be demolished and replaced.
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If they are to demolished all of it, the retail will have to be close first.

The last plan I know of will see the existing bus bays close and torn down with all TTC routes using the south surface platform, since there is no underground walkway under it. The retail will remain until the whole area is to be redevelop and TTC riders using the existing walkway.

If/when TTC moves ahead with the new terminal north of the current one as proposed, a tunnel will have to be built from the existing concourse to it. Only then, the station will become accessibility with an elevator from the surface to the concourse and then to the subway platform.

The north east parking lot will have to be close off to build this new terminal, as well a new intersection for Islington with traffic lights.

Hording will go up for the current walkway to the existing platform once the new terminal is built.

If one remember how many sets of stairs and platforms there were for VP before it got rebuilt, it was far cheaper to do it than putting in an elevator for each platform as well to/from the subway platform. This applies to Islington and Warden today. In the end, you only need 2 elevators per station, even though it should be 4.
 
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