TheTigerMaster
Superstar
If true, how fast could it get down to Toronto?
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If true, how fast could it get down to Toronto?
nfitz
Superstar
It's only about 3-5 days or so. But presumably we won't see it until January, as Byford revealed yesterday that Bombardier was only promising 14 by end of the month - and 14 was already loaded on a flatcar when Byford sounded like he didn't even believe 14.
cplchanb
Senior Member
What type of testing do they do on the test track? Is it possible that they post a TTC official there to oversee the testing so that they can expedite the commissioning of each delivery once it reaches Toronto?
It seems like theyre overlapping the process: test at TB...test at TTC....
It seems like theyre overlapping the process: test at TB...test at TTC....
smallspy
Senior Member
The TTC has hired a company to oversee the production process of the new streetcars. (They also do this for the subway cars and buses as well.) If the company is not happy with how the assembly is going at various stages - wire bundles not routed properly, doors not installed correctly, non-standard plumbing and fittings, poor fit of body panels, etc., they don't approve the assembly of the vehicle past that step - and it is up to Bombardier (or whomever is building the vehicle) to fix the issue. Once it gets approved, it then moves on to the next stage in assembly.
Eventually, once the car is fully assembled and powered on, it then goes on the test track for a last battery of tests. I don't know specifically what Bombardier does as part of their test track tests, but usually it involves accelerating to a set speed a number of times, braking at various rates and in various situations, testing various additional appliances such as sanders..... that kind of thing. Only once the company signs off of it can it then be loaded up for shipment to Toronto.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
salsa
Senior Member
You said the same thing several times before. Once again, here's a picture if you don't believe us:
ehlow
Senior Member
Hope of an actual ramp up? (wow it's snowing a lot up there)
cplchanb
Senior Member
kotsy
Senior Member
Hopefully they streetcar doesn't bring any snow with it. It's been a great December so far!
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Praise be to El Niño!
drum118
Superstar
Depending on a few things, we could see 4414 & 4415 on the road by year end. 4415 is on its way down now and 4414 could hit the streets by Dec 24.
We most likely will see 4416 next month with 4417 in Feb. 4402 should show up in this time frame as well.
Depending on delivery and weather, 510 could become 100% new cars only with the next board change, but I prefer to wait tell the next one to have 3-4 cars for 509. We still need spares as well training cars.
By June, 511 should finally start to see the new cars.
Until the problem is dealt with the Mexico Plant, TB is not going to have enough sections to work on to produce a car every 5 days as promises.
We most likely will see 4416 next month with 4417 in Feb. 4402 should show up in this time frame as well.
Depending on delivery and weather, 510 could become 100% new cars only with the next board change, but I prefer to wait tell the next one to have 3-4 cars for 509. We still need spares as well training cars.
By June, 511 should finally start to see the new cars.
Until the problem is dealt with the Mexico Plant, TB is not going to have enough sections to work on to produce a car every 5 days as promises.
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Duck
Guest
The problems in Mexico haven't been resolved?
Isn't Mexico just building the frame skeleton weldments?
Why hasn't that work been brought back to Canada if it's such an issue? There are hundreds if not thousands of weld/fab shops in Ontario that do all sorts of specialty work...
Isn't Mexico just building the frame skeleton weldments?
Why hasn't that work been brought back to Canada if it's such an issue? There are hundreds if not thousands of weld/fab shops in Ontario that do all sorts of specialty work...
drum118
Superstar
You are wrong on the number of places in Ontario that can do this work.
Our labour cost is 3 times plus than Mexico.
You need at least 40,000 sq feet plant floor space with high ceiling that will handle the special jigs to produce more than one car at a time. I don't know if Mexico assembly the frames to make sure they fit together before shipping and if so you need a plant that is at least 125 feet long with one bay setup to do this
You may see under a 100 shops if that these days that can do something like this as they need to be doing other work since this is a short term contract. It also has to be a clean shop where various projects don't have an effect on this work.
crs1026
Superstar
Has anyone seen what the components look like at the point that they arrive in Thunder Bay? Do the carbody segments arrive as a full shell? Or are the parts just stamped/formed in Mexico but welded together in T Bay? If a shell - are they trucked all the way from Mexico?
- Paul
- Paul
drum118
Superstar
My take is they are 5 separate shell and put together as one in Thunder Bay. Where they are joint together has been an issue from day one. They are truck from Mexico since its faster than rail.
To ship as one piece by truck from Mexico requires special flat deck with front and rear escort. Most likely only allow to travel during daylight, not at night for longer travel time. As sections, you can run with standard flat deck and at night as well.
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Duck
Guest
But articles from earlier in the year citing the problems said that "walls" weren't attaching properly to "under frames", suggesting that Mexico is building a floor slab, wall slabs, and roof slabs, which are then assembled at Thunder Bay. Flat panels (walls/floors/roofs) would transport up from Mexico a lot more compactly than an assembled car frame, which would be a big hollow box...
Please cite how you know this. I work in this particular industry and can think of a handful of companies I deal with locally who could easily handle this work.
Please cite how you know this. I work in this particular industry and can think of a handful of companies I deal with locally who could easily handle this work.