TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

[DSC]

If you just stop the snyde comments things would be a lot simpler for you here.

Please stop calling other posters here names and making snyde (sic) remarks. Thank you!

Maybe BOTH of you should make a New Year resolution to stop bickering in public? Time to PM each other if you feel you have been insulted.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Maybe BOTH of you should make a New Year resolution to stop bickering in public? Time to PM each other if you feel you have been insulted.

I agree. They are complaining unnecessarily over something I got over doing ( there are Flexities out on 501 today, for the record, but did I send an list here ? Nope. )

 

[crs1026]

Continuing my "term paper under the wire" analogy, TTC 4521 was placed in the siding at Hillcrest a little before midnight last night.

How's that for a "just in time" supply chain?

- Paul

 

[Maltesefalcon]

Continuing my "term paper under the wire" analogy, TTC 4521 was placed in the siding at Hillcrest a little before midnight last night.

How's that for a "just in time" supply chain?

- Paul

But it won't count in the FY 2018 tally as it is not in service. Did that end up at 4417, making it 61 put into service this year?

 

[drum118]

But it won't count in the FY 2018 tally as it is not in service. Did that end up at 4417, making it 61 put into service this year?

4517 was the last car to enter service as the 59th car for the year. 4520 was the 62nd car for delivery, leaving TTC 2 car short for 2018. Even if 4521 was off loaded in 2018, TTC is still short a car from Kingston.

Since 4521 wasn't off loaded in 2018, it counts as an 2019 car, regardless it was sitting at the loading dock.

We could see 4572 in service by Monday

 

[Maltesefalcon]

Sorry I made a major typo-should have been 4517 not 4417 in my query. Thank you for the update.

But that means they are 5 cars short of the target since it is the in-service cars that count. It is up to BBD to get them to TTC in time for inspect so they need to build that 2 weeks or so into their production schedule.

And lest we forget....the quota was actually downsized early in 2018 from 76 to 64 if I recall correctly. And they still couldn't do it. (Granted a huge improvemeny over FY2017 though.

 

[rbt]

... since it is the in-service cars that count.

It's extremely unlikely that the BBD/TTC contract is worded that way.

 

[Maltesefalcon]

Not trying to start a heated debate about this. I was just reflecting what I have read in previous posts over the course of FY2018.

 

[JamesKoole]

4517 is in service on 512 (as of right now): http://www.ttctracker.ca/detail.php?v=4517
4518 is finally tracking today and at the Barns: http://www.ttctracker.ca/detail.php?v=4518
4572 is tracking but the GPS is whack again: http://www.ttctracker.ca/detail.php?v=4572

 

[drum118]

4518 is now tracking.

4572 looks like it being prep for service

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

4518 is now tracking.

4572 looks like it being prep for service

By the looks of it, 4572 could enter service by Friday at the earliest.

 

[nfitz]

But it won't count in the FY 2018 tally as it is not in service. Did that end up at 4517, making it 61 put into service this year?

I count 60 in service this year (4458 to 4517 inclusive) from January 6 2018 to December 31, 2018.

But that means they are 5 cars short of the target since it is the in-service cars that count.

4 cars short. They did miss the in-service target of 64 - though they had 4 more cars (4518 to 4520 and 4572) received but not in service at year end. Along with 4521 unloaded today.

Close enough to their 2018 schedule for me. But the lack of Kingston cars is concerning. They only need 80 more cars manufactured (plus 4401 which is being completed in Quebec). With them delivering 61 cars from Thunder Bay in 2018, then the remaining 47 cars from there seem to be easy enough.

Can they produce 33 more cars in Kingston this year? I think that's going to be the weak point.

 

[crs1026]

Can they produce 33 more cars in Kingston this year? I think that's going to be the weak point.

Kingston will be hopping with Edmonton, Metrolinx, and TTC orders. Hopefully they can handle all three lines. One car every two weeks gets them close.

Once they get to about 150 accepted, the question for TTC will be MTBF. Thirty cars not delivered, versus thirty on the shop tracks for repair, looks about the same to the ridership.

- Paul

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

I count 60 in service this year (4458 to 4517 inclusive) from January 6 2018 to December 31, 2018.

4 cars short. They did miss the in-service target of 64 - though they had 4 more cars (4518 to 4520 and 4572) received but not in service at year end. Along with 4521 unloaded today.

Close enough to their 2018 schedule for me. But the lack of Kingston cars is concerning. They only need 80 more cars manufactured (plus 4401 which is being completed in Quebec). With them delivering 61 cars from Thunder Bay in 2018, then the remaining 47 cars from there seem to be easy enough.

Can they produce 33 more cars in Kingston this year? I think that's going to be the weak point.

You also forgot every Flexity up to 4467 which all have to go back for welding.. that will go to 2022/2023.

 

[rbt]

Once they get to about 150 accepted, the question for TTC will be MTBF. Thirty cars not delivered, versus thirty on the shop tracks for repair, looks about the same to the ridership.

How far does a streetcar travel in a day? Would it be 300 to 400km on average? I'm guessing 400km would be quite high as rush-only vehicles would bring that down significantly as regular maintenance. Either way, I went with 400km/day average travel below.

A 14,278km mdbf (reported Sept 2018) would put each vehicle in the shop every ~35 days if they typically run 400km/day. If you assume it takes 2 days to fix (and I understand many are redeployed on the same-day) it would mean ~11 in the shop for maintenance at any given time due to failures instead of the expected 4 in the shop for unexpected maintenance for a targetted 35,000km mdbf.

So Bombardier could make TTC whole by providing a maximum of 7 additional vehicles and a stack of replacement parts; it's likely fewer vehicles than that.

Obviously it would be best if they manage to up the reliability and kick in a couple vehicles anyway as an apology.