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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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Due to a forest fire a portion of the CN mainline has been shutdown (the fire is called Parry Sound 33), and traffic is being forced onto the CP line. Not knowing where the line interchanges are.... another oppurtinity to see a streetcar going over the CPR Trestle in Parry Sound? I also wonder if that will impact deliveries.
 

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Due to a forest fire a portion of the CN mainline has been shutdown (the fire is called Parry Sound 33), and traffic is being forced onto the CP line. Not knowing where the line interchanges are.... another oppurtinity to see a streetcar going over the CPR Trestle in Parry Sound? I also wonder if that will impact deliveries.

My understanding is the interchange points are between MacTier and Parry Sound in the south, and Sudbury in the north - so if a train carrying one of the new cars is going southbound on the CP line, it would indeed pass over the Parry Sound CPR trestle.
 

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Due to a forest fire a portion of the CN mainline has been shutdown (the fire is called Parry Sound 33), and traffic is being forced onto the CP line. Not knowing where the line interchanges are.... another oppurtinity to see a streetcar going over the CPR Trestle in Parry Sound? I also wonder if that will impact deliveries.

The interchange points are near Sudbury and just south of Parry Sound. So hypothetically, yes - southbound traffic on CP would cross the trestle.

I wonder what kind of timing or traffic restictions will apply however. CP and/or Bombardier may simply be happier to hold lower priority traffic for a few days. The CP line no longer has sufficient siding capacity for full counter flow operation.

- Paul
 

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Giving the fact 4489 has spent most of its time since arrival on July 10 (20 days ago) out in the yard and has yet to do any test running, I guess its part of this problem. This is the first car I have seen so far that has fail to do any testing by now.

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Don't know if 4486 is near ready for service or not, but it been here 32 days so far and the longest of any car to enter service when it does.?[/delete]

Hard to say at this time if the pole issues for 4491 was minor or not, but been in various service bays as well out in the yard. 7 days and counting.

By the looks of things, 4490 has finished testing and been ready for service after 12 days been here.

TTC official raised red flags about Bombardier streetcar quality control
 
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TTC official raised red flags about Bombardier streetcar quality control
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...out-bombardier-streetcar-quality-control.html

A TTC official supervising the transit agency’s $1-billion streetcar purchase expressed concerns earlier this year that vehicle manufacturer Bombardier was deviating from proper quality control processes “on a regular basis,” the Star has learned.

The emails recently obtained by the Star show senior TTC officials continue to consider it a priority to help Bombardier meet delivery targets. On June 27, 2018, Bem Case, TTC head of vehicle programs, told colleagues to waive regular overtime rules and have agency vehicle inspectors available on site any time Bombardier requested over the coming days. “This is of strategic importance,” Case said, given the company is “close to meeting their end of quarter targets.”

Looks like someone lifted up the carpet.
 

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We have spent millions on these cars, eliminated a large portion of the cars on King St but the TTC still can't get the 504 to work without bunching. This morning at 8:05 I saw 2 Flexities at Dundas West and another waiting at the Bloor St stop to get into the station.

The first driver was just sitting there not even trying to quickly get out of the station to reduce the bunching (and to let the 3rd LRT into the station)

How is there that much bunching even before the crunch of rush hour begins? Room for 600 people idle at the end of the line.

(and to top it all off I saw 3 505 buses all in a row head towards Dundas West)
 

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The tracker for 4489 said it was last seen 18 hours ago and doesn't bow well for this car considering it been here 21 days so far. Still got to do its burn in yet and thats about 5 days.

Looks like 4488 is ready to enter service tomorrow after being here 27 days so far.

4490 and 91 in the service bay. 4490 could see service this week. As for 4491, hard to say if the pole issue was minor or major and should know more next week

3 Flexity on 511 today and rode one to Bathurst Station.

Saw 3 ALRV's on 501 in a matter of minutes in the west. The tracker has 5 out now and standard numbers these day for these cars. Couple look freshly painted.

Bunching can be found all over the place and it makes no different what it is. Looking at Nextbus App today, it made no different what route I was using or near me, headway was all over the place from 3 X within 5 minutes to a 15 minute gap behind the last X. None of the headway were equal space nor match schedule for X route.

Had a look at Gerrard/Broadview Intersection today, all the track work could/should be in place by the weekend. They where getting ready to off load a north to east switch when I was leaving. Double crossing and a number switches in place, but not bolted together.

All the track work on Broadview from Dundas to just south of Gerrard is completed. At this rate, work should/could be finish around Aug 15.

I noticed the overhead between Gerrard/Dundas/Queen needs to be rebuilt for Pans. The curve section at Bloor needs to be rebuilt as well.

King/Parliament intersection not rebuilt for Pans yet.
 
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Bunching can be found all over the place and it makes no different what it is. Looking at Nextbus App today, it made no different what route I was using or near me, headway was all over the place from 3 X within 5 minutes to a 15 minute gap behind the last X. None of the headway were equal space nor match schedule for X route.

Routes with mixed traffic, bunching is pretty much an inevitability.

But it can even happen on right-of-ways.

The solution is better traffic light priority, like basically 100% streetcar priority (when it approaches the light for the opposing intersection turns red and the streetcar gets a green). People think this is a ridiculous request, but this is how real LRTs work, and they have literal gates that come down to stop cars!


Asking for simple "green always" for streetcars on ROWs is NOT unusual and it's NOT crazy.

The second thing that needs to be done is some kind of computer management when streetcars on ROWs get bunched together, by telling the lead car to hurry up and the cars behind to slow down.

What could even be done, if the tech was in place, would be to purposefully give the lead streetcar all green lights, and purposefully hold the streetcars behind with red lights to space them out. That would be quite the implementation though, basically you have an ATC signalling system at that point.

Another thing that could be done is have a dedicated drop off/pickup on streetcar stops, and have the lead car only drop people off, and not pick up, until its made better headway. Hard to enforce though.
 

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Routes with mixed traffic, bunching is pretty much an inevitability.

But it can even happen on right-of-ways.

The solution is better traffic light priority, like basically 100% streetcar priority (when it approaches the light for the opposing intersection turns red and the streetcar gets a green). People think this is a ridiculous request, but this is how real LRTs work, and they have literal gates that come down to stop cars!


Asking for simple "green always" for streetcars on ROWs is NOT unusual and its NOT crazy.

The second thing that needs to be done is some kind of computer management when streetcars on ROWs get bunched together, by telling the lead car to hurry up and the cars behind to slow down.

What could even be done, if the tech was in place, would be to purposefully give the lead streetcar all green lights, and purposefully hold the streetcars behind with red lights to space them out. That would be quite the implementation though, basically you have an ATC signalling system at that point.

Another thing that could be done is have a dedicated drop off/pickup on streetcar stops, and have the lead car only drop people off, and not pick up, until its made better headway. Hard to enforce though.
A lot of bunching is caused by drivers for TTC who don't give a rat ass and want to be Sunday drivers. Seen too many cases where supervisors and other drivers have bitch to these Sunday drivers who gives them the fingers.

Traffic lights don't help ROW service to the point, it slows service down.

Even if the lead X vehicle does only drop off, there will still be bunching one way or another.
 

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A lot of bunching is caused by drivers for TTC who don't give a rat ass and want to be Sunday drivers. Seen too many cases where supervisors and other drivers have bitch to these Sunday drivers who gives them the fingers.

Traffic lights don't help ROW service to the point, it slows service down.

Even if the lead X vehicle does only drop off, there will still be bunching one way or another.

The opposite for traffic priority will happen with Doug Ford now in charge at Queens Park. Watch for requests NOT to improve transit priority at traffic signals from Doug. From link:

Doug Ford complains that it takes him over an hour to drive from his house in Etobicoke to Queen’s Park. “That’s unacceptable,” he says.
Doug taking public transit? If it's not a photo op, forget it.
 

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After being here 29 days, 4488 has enter service on 512. It left the yard at 5:42 am.

4492 at Hillcrest to be off loaded with 4493 maybe tomorrow if on the same train.
 
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