TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

[steveintoronto]

Because contrary to the story, it did cost the TTC money. They had to allocate the employees from other tasks in order to finish the streetcars.

I'm honestly surprised that this story hit the news. They tried pretty damn hard to keep it quiet.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

I'm of two minds on the story. The TTC probably did do their best to keep this under wraps, it's embarrassing at the least. But the reason it's embarrassing is because the TTC really is stuck between a rock and a bigger one. No-one wants this to resolve more than the TTC itself. But BBD play on that, not unlike threatening an assault victim with more if they don't keep quiet about it.

What this also indicates (although doesn't prove, only time will tell on that) is that BBD continue to not be good for their word, as publicly stated, let alone contractually.

As to TigerMaster's question, without even getting a specific answer, flip this over: How can it *not* take the TTC more time and effort to juggle schedules and material, let alone space, to accommodate operations that should have arrived in a state of readiness for "burning in"?

 

[amnesiajune]

Because contrary to the story, it did cost the TTC money. They had to allocate the employees from other tasks in order to finish the streetcars.

The article says something different. "In subsequent interviews, the TTC confirmed that the company shipped four mostly finished cars to Toronto, and then Bombardier workers completed them at the TTC’s Leslie Barns streetcar maintenance and storage facility."

 

[smallspy]

What was the involvement of TTC staff in the finishing of the streetcars? Did this go beyond the standard testing? The way you phrased it makes it sound as if TTC staff were helping Bombardier to finish assembling the streetcar.

TTC staff was seconded to help the Bombardier staff finish the assembly of the panels. Apparently this happened concurrently with the testing and break-in period.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[crs1026]

Whatever it cost TTC (overtime labour for people to assist or monitor Bombardier staff while in the shop? Use of tools and materiel? General admin?) it was a wise decision - Byford's logic is sound. I have slight sympathy for Bombardier if CP arbitrarily restricted pickup or forwarding of the cars at year end.
Beter to keep one's powder dry for the bigger disputes and get the cars on the road sooner. Hopefully someone in TTC's legal department came up with the right words to position this as a "without prejudice" accomodation.
- Paul

 

[pstogios]

The article says something different. "In subsequent interviews, the TTC confirmed that the company shipped four mostly finished cars to Toronto, and then Bombardier workers completed them at the TTC’s Leslie Barns streetcar maintenance and storage facility."

Fake news.
Instead we are supposed to accept on face value the veracity of an anonymous user's "information".

 

[pstogios]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-to-meet-delivery-deadline-ttc-says-1.4257360

"And Stuart Green, a spokesperson for the TTC, said Bombardier used their own staff, so the incident didn't cost the TTC anything extra."

 

[amnesiajune]

Fake news.
Instead we are supposed to accept on face value the veracity of an anonymous user's "information".

If it did cost the TTC one penny, the Star would've made sure that we're very, very well-aware of it. The fact that they didn't means that it almost certainly didn't cost the TTC anything. (And of course, there's also your quote from the CBC article)

 

[pstogios]

If it did cost the TTC one penny, the Star would've made sure that we're very, very well-aware of it. The fact that they didn't means that it almost certainly didn't cost the TTC anything. (And of course, there's also your quote from the CBC article)

The sarcasm in my "fake news" post was apparently lost on you
A person here claimed to have inside information that the TTC didn't pay for this work. Clearly that person's info isn't as reliable as they claim.

 

[smallspy]

The sarcasm in my "fake news" post was apparently lost on you
A person here claimed to have inside information that the TTC didn't pay for this work. Clearly that person's info isn't as reliable as they claim.

Riiiiight. Because the media is always right, and never massages a story to fit their current slant.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Allandale25]

A Thunder Bay CBC reported tweeted today that the an Antonov plane landed in Thunder Bay with a deliver for Bombardier.

 

[Allandale25]

"New streetcars doing training runs on St Clair today! Take your first ride on September 3!" https://twitter.com/joemihevc/status/900379006008250368

 

[drum118]

4442 has been traceable since Monday and Still in the service bay

4441 did a few trips around the yard yesterday and still in the service bay.

Between 2-4 car will be on 512 come Sept 3.

 

[drum118]

 

[pstogios]

Riiiiight. Because the media is always right, and never massages a story to fit their current slant.

How does it feel to be wrong on your "inside" (and unsourced) info?

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

That by far is the stup[idest cartoon ever. The safety implications alone are ridiculous.