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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

the lemur said:
Bombardier should be footing the bill for this.
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Not just the rebuild but the operating costs. They cost a lot more money to run and maintain due to custom parts needed. Its why we went with all new vehicles (besides the Accessibility reasons) in the first place.

They will no doubt cost us millions more over the coming years that they run.
 
More Bombardier Drama from Quebec this time
http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economi...982419-lamt-ecarte-bombardier-dun-contrat.php


The Agence métropolitaine de transport (AMT…like Metrolinx) has recently discreetly cancelled the tender for 24 trains cars at the cost of $103 million, for which Bombardier Transportation was the only bidder.
This was due to their inability to deliver in time the training cars for the Candiac, Vaudreuil-Dorion and St. Jerome commuter lines.
AMT wanted the first car delivered within 24 months, while Bombardier said they couldn’t deliver before 30 months. On top of that, they the cars didn’t meet the criterias from the tender.
Bombardier replied that their proposition was realistic, cost effective and represented a lower risk
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This is a prime example of the arrogant (We know best) attitude from Bombardier. They don't even bother to deliver what's required in the tender, while they have this nonchalance attitude about delivery time. If Montreal Metro can say no to Bombardier, it's time for other Canadian Cities to get with the program...Looking at you Metrolinx and Edmonton. It's time for Bombardier to stop taking Canadian cities for granted and to realize that we might do what Ottawa did...go to an oversee competitor.


 
Cobra said:
It's time for Bombardier to stop taking Canadian cities for granted and to realize that we might do what Ottawa did...go to an oversee competitor.
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At the time, I thought it was surprising Ottawa did not go with a consortium that included Bombardier. Boy, has that proven to be the right decision. Alstom is even assembling the trains (final step, my understanding is similar to the Thunder Bay part of the process for the Flexities) in a purpose-built facility in Ottawa.
 
Ottawan said:
At the time, I thought it was surprising Ottawa did not go with a consortium that included Bombardier. Boy, has that proven to be the right decision. Alstom is even assembling the trains (final step, my understanding is similar to the Thunder Bay part of the process for the Flexities) in a purpose-built facility in Ottawa.
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If by "purpose-built" you mean the future Confederation Line Maintenance Centre, then you are right.

By the by, it is highly unlikely that any future equipment for the Confederation Line (or Trillium Line, for that matter) will be built in Ottawa unless it is at another new maintenance facility. The facility will kept busy enough by maintaining the current stock to think about assembling new stuff.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
smallspy said:
If by "purpose-built" you mean the future Confederation Line Maintenance Centre, then you are right.

By the by, it is highly unlikely that any future equipment for the Confederation Line (or Trillium Line, for that matter) will be built in Ottawa unless it is at another new maintenance facility. The facility will kept busy enough by maintaining the current stock to think about assembling new stuff.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
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There can't be much component fabrication going on in Ottawa - it has to be pretty much a final assembly. The equipment needs are different. It does suggest that a final assembly plant is inherently "portable", whereas the primary component shops are harder to set up and tear down. Alstom's supply chain must be in much better shape than Bombardier's.

- Paul
 
Cobra said:
Montreal Metropolitain=AMT
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You said Montreal Metro - which no one has ever used to refer to AMT before. AMT stands for Agence métropolitaine de transport (Metropolitan Transport Agency]; it provides transit for many cities in the metropolis.
 
crs1026 said:
There can't be much component fabrication going on in Ottawa - it has to be pretty much a final assembly. The equipment needs are different. It does suggest that a final assembly plant is inherently "portable", whereas the primary component shops are harder to set up and tear down. Alstom's supply chain must be in much better shape than Bombardier's.

- Paul
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To a degree, sure, it's portable. But there is a certain amount of heavy equipment and electricity requirements that prevents it from being truly portable in the sense of being able to pack up that equipment and take it anywhere. There are only so many buildings that are capable of handling a 50 or 75 tonne crane and the power requirements for assembling something like a rail car - and building one from scratch is not cost-effective if you're only going to use it for a single order or two.

So, what do companies do instead? Those kinds of equipment requirements are usually standard for heavy maintenance facilities. Build the shop early and assemble the cars there - its done all the time.

At the end of the day, its only portable in the sense of being able to take advantage of the facilities while they exist in that state prior to the opening of the line. Once the line is running, that option ceases to exist.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
The link says the streetcar will be free to ride. Any idea of how that will work for passengers getting off at Union Station? I think before there used to be a fare box in the streetcar loop, but that's gone. Maybe they should put a presto reader there.
 
W. K. Lis said:
They are so short of streetcars that the TTC had to get a grandpa PCC streetcar to work on the 509 from May 22 to September 4. See link. ;)
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brainfreezed said:
The link says the streetcar will be free to ride. Any idea of how that will work for passengers getting off at Union Station? I think before there used to be a fare box in the streetcar loop, but that's gone. Maybe they should put a presto reader there.
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Is there an official TTC source confirming that it's free? While I respect the good folks at transit toronto, if a fare inspector asks you for POP I don't think "but Transit Toronto said it was free" will fly.

Edit: yep https://twitter.com/bradTTC/status/732936255814696961
 
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There's no way to pay with presto and they won't want to drill holes on the car to install one. Free sounds right. It's been free along Queens Quay in the past years it operated.
 
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