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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses

How much is the operating cost for deadheading buses to/from the start of the route vs the cost installing charging stations??? There are a few systems in the US that have charging stations on routes and at bus terminal. Europe has far more than the US with the main focus of keeping buses on routes up to 24 hours and in some cases longer. Most systems were uses bus terminals as charging station and rode a few routes that had charging stations at each end. Some systems use both plug-ins and overhead charging.

You class ebuses as crap, yet rest of the world seam to have no issues to the point a number of systems are fully ebuses now with a fair number taking place in 2025 and the bulk by 2030. Paris will be the last one since they need 6,000 buses to be fully ebuses.

New Flyer has discontinue hybrids for their 60's at this time due to lack of engines to meet current standards.
There are no bus systems in America that operate as frequently or handle as many people as the TTC (yes even Chicago and NYC), so that’s comparing apples to oranges.

As for Europe, I can’t speak on that as I’m not familiar with their systems.
 
There are no bus systems in America that operate as frequently or handle as many people as the TTC (yes even Chicago and NYC), so that’s comparing apples to oranges.
NYC?

That's not correct. Bus ridership is much higher there. If you want apples to apples, look at the regular APTA reporting at https://www.apta.com/research-technical-resources/transit-statistics/ridership-report/

For 2024 Q3 it shows that Toronto is at 1,179,700 average weekday ridership for buses (another 76,200 at GO), while NYC is at 1,949,700 plus 451,000 for the separately managed "MTA Bus Company" that provides service in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx. And there post-Covid recovery is significantly lower than Toronto!

Outside NYC ridership is pathetic though. Looks like LA is number 3, Montreal is 4, and Vancouver (!) is 5, then followed by Chicago with 577,600.

It's a shame that the MiWay and BiWay data isn't available there. :)
 

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