nfitz
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I'm not sure how vagrants shitting on the sidewalk or on the platform is a better alternative.
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TTC: Easier Access Phase III
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Mind_the_gap
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My phone slows with multiple windows open...This is how public toilets on the Helsinki metro work:
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You pay, you get in... to keep out vagrants/addicts.
I wanted to add, this is more for women's safety when most vulnerable. There are workarounds - eg. wait for someone to leave the stall once the indicator changes.
Being cheap, I always used a long-distance train departing in 10+ minutes.
This is the practice in Northern Europe at least - even at McDonalds, you have to pay. If you're a customer, you get a token.
Guess it's because of better social services.
Richard White
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In Hungary it is the same way.
If you want to drop a deuce at McDonalds you need to pay. I recall last year having to buy lunch there when I had travelers diarrhea in order to avoid a rather messy situation.
Mr.Tang
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I find it a frustration that there is so much ongoing, but slow moving construction at so many stations. Is it a fair criticism that the TTC would have been better off tackling them sequentially instead of concurrently? it seems like right now everything is half done - with at least a year to completion. Could they have knocked off many of these projects faster by focusing on one at a time - or were they all subcontracted out anyway and one project's completion schedule is independent of another?
dowlingm
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The link below is dated yesterday so I guess Warden go-live for the new bus loop entranceway remains Sunday. There are no notices I can see in the station, but the south end concourse level gates which were bagged-over two days ago are now uncovered, albeit fenced off.
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To schedule work on many stations you hardly want to do them one at a time as each is unique. Ideally you do them in 'groups' and that's what TTC tried to do.
Northern Light
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Not really. For the simple reason that I can't think of any reason that would have expedited work.
Design was done in-house by TTC; construction is tendered out in every case and is being done by multiple companies.
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I think what you're trying to get at is fair enough, which is "Could the work be delivered more quickly?"
I'll answer that with 'yes'.
The important bit would be the 'how'.
The exact answers would vary by project, but in general.
1) Better efforts to have the as-built and ground conditions accurate, and the design appropriate to same. The TTC has encountered problems more than once with things not being where they were supposed to be and that necessitating change orders. To be fair, this is an issue construction in the private sector as well. Fixing it is a long term issue that includes more scrutiny during projects to keep on top of as-built vs as drawn, and making sure those changes work their way into public documents, software/mapping etc.
2) The TTC generally does not impose a minimum number of workers on site on jobs; and it has found itself more than once getting what a contractor could spare, who places resources with more demanding clients first.
3) The TTC may have improved, others here would know better than I.........but they have had an issue in the past with timeliness of change-order processing.
4) The TTC rarely plans for, or pays for weekend work or double shifts. If work is only getting done 8'ish hours a day, 5'ish days a week..........jobs move a lot slower. If Centercourt was managing TTC projects, just like their condos it would be 12-hour days and six day weeks with Sundays available as needed if work slips behind schedule. (72 hour base schedule gets a lot more done than 40)
5) The TTC doesn't often demonstrate a willingness to endure short-term pain. Under Andy Byford, work at Pape Station was advanced considerably when they closed the station for a couple of weeks and went all-out.
Elevator projects might not routinely benefit from that extent of closure, but at certain points, it could be helpful. Close the station for 3 days even, and you get 5 or more days work done, particularly if you go with double shifts or even 24/7.
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In summary, its possible to get stuff done more quickly, Some of it is diligence, some of it is efficiency, some of it is being a demanding client, and some is being willing to pay a bit more in hourly or daily pay, but often making a good portion of that back through a shorter project timeline.
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turbanplanner
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Just info from reddit so take it how you will but I heard from an escalator technician that even stuff like getting an escalator replacement takes YEARS on top of what it would elsewhere because of the procurement process, odball requirements, and then rules about staging and access. I think parallel is a lot faster way to get something done based off of that
Northern Light
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On next week's TTC agenda we find a report recommending approval of the tender to make Old Mill Station accessible.
The price tag is a bit eye-watering considering the extent of the project.........$25,690,748.88
The contract work provides services for the construction of two elevators at Old Mill
Station from street level to each side platform, new tactile attention tiles, station power
upgrade, associated signage, mechanical and electrical upgrades and other associated
elements to provide a barrier-free path throughout the station
The price tag is a bit eye-watering considering the extent of the project.........$25,690,748.88
The contract work provides services for the construction of two elevators at Old Mill
Station from street level to each side platform, new tactile attention tiles, station power
upgrade, associated signage, mechanical and electrical upgrades and other associated
elements to provide a barrier-free path throughout the station
drum118
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Other than EllisDon, the price spread between the other 3 bidders is about 10% which is higher than norm, but not knowing what is required beyond the elevator work it hard to say if the spread is correct as well the contract price. Given only 4 bids were received is saying its not the run of the mill work for a slow market at this time.
TTC requirement for proof that the bidder has done this type of work in the past as well in the same price range is a good requirement and a must. Seen a lot of trades including myself to take on work that was more than what was done in the past that has caused issues to the project or the company itself.
Look at the contract price for the Keele Station as a comparison to Old Mills work.
W. K. Lis
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Because of delays in creating accessibility on Line 2 in the west end, new bus route...
- 149 Etobicoke-Bloor buses will operate along Bloor Street West, between Kipling and High Park stations during normal subway hours, seven days a week. Service will operate every 25 to 30 minutes. Buses will stop at the existing 300 Bloor-Danforth night bus stops, as well as the following stations:
- High Park – buses will pick-up and drop-off in the bus terminal. Customers can transfer to 189 Stockyards for connection to Keele Station, which is accessible.
- Runnymede (accessible) – buses will pick-up and drop-off on Bloor Street West at Runnymede Road.
- Jane (accessible) – buses will pick-up and drop-off on Bloor Street West at Jane Street.
- Old Mill - buses will pick-up and drop-off on Bloor Street West at Old Mill Road.
- Royal York (accessible) - buses will pick-up and drop-off on Bloor Street West at Royal York Road.
- Islington - buses will pick-up and drop-off on Bloor Street West at Islington Avenue.
- Kipling (accessible) – buses will pick-up and drop-off in the bus terminal.
Richard White
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Once High Parks elevators are up and running, I suspect you will see the route cut back to Islington - Old Mill.
drum118
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Islington is non accessible until late 2026 and the turn back would be Jane or Runnymede to deal with accessibility issues. If High Park is not accessible, Keele should be the turning point, not High Park.
W. K. Lis
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Keele Station is full, needs to be expanded for another surface route. No space for another bus bay. Even the 189 STOCKYARDS bus cannot use Keele Station, but has to use the High Park Station.
drum118
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That was my main concern since buses have always had issues at Keele in the past as well being an accessibility one in the first place. Since service is only to be around every 30 minutes, could shove horn it in to 80 spot. The other option is just looping and picking riders up at Bloor St and dropping riders off at the entrance. You could loop at Dundas West
Under the current plan, where is the bus going to loop for High Park??