TheTigerMaster
Superstar
It's a rapid transit map. Our LRT lines have been designated as rapid transit.
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It's a rapid transit map. Our LRT lines have been designated as rapid transit.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Well in terms of mission creep, we already have the airport express bus on it, which runs in traffic
Designer 1: Let's make a rapid transit map.
Designer 2: LRTs have been designated as rapid transit, so lets include them too.
Designer 1: Well, the airport express bus is awfully fast, so lets add that in.
Designer 2: Well, if were going to have a bus route, we might as well add all surface routes.
Introducing, our new rapid transit map:
Mission creep!
Ozman
Active Member
Touché!
And that kids, is how a simple little subway map morphed into the big detailed Ride Guide that we all know and love today.
Seriously though, TM is right. We get to the Ride Guide pretty quickly. It has to be decided where to cut off but as I said before, Eglinton is the tricky one because it's an LRT but it's basically like a subway for half of its route.
Until we see Eglinton East (or Finch or Sheppard) operating we won't know if they're much different than Spadina or St. Clair
And that kids, is how a simple little subway map morphed into the big detailed Ride Guide that we all know and love today.
Seriously though, TM is right. We get to the Ride Guide pretty quickly. It has to be decided where to cut off but as I said before, Eglinton is the tricky one because it's an LRT but it's basically like a subway for half of its route.
Until we see Eglinton East (or Finch or Sheppard) operating we won't know if they're much different than Spadina or St. Clair
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
We already know what they'll be like. Their average stop spacing is that of a subway, significantly wider than 510 or 512. Their average speed will not be much slower than a subway. It makes sense to include them
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Should frequent non-rush hour express routes be included in a rapid transit map?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I say it depends on the route, it's frequency, reliability, speed and it's capacity.
If we're talking about some kind of BRT solution, then absolutely.
If we're talking about some kind of BRT solution, then absolutely.
kotsy
Senior Member
I doubt it'll be called that when it opens. It's just the name of the project, not the actual name of the line. Like I doubt the downtown relief line will actually be called the same when it opens.
11th
Senior Member
How does Vancouver include their BRT lines on their rapid transit maps?
P23
Active Member
One map that shows everything that runs on rails, put this in subway cars/LRTs and station platforms. One map that shows all service including buses, put this in outdoor shelters (including streetcars) and at station exits/surface route platforms. IMHO.
Platform 27
Active Member
nfitz
Superstar
It isn't. Can you imagine the mess of the Paris Metro map if they removed the lines that don't run normally run on rails!
P23
Active Member
Mostly because this tired debate over what should be included on the basis of rapidity or frequency never goes anywhere. Rail is more or less permanent, is the backbone of the system and carries the most passengers to the most popular areas. Consider that the 504 carries more passengers than Line 4 and it's hard to see why you wouldn't include streetcars.
Good looking map! I'm working on something similar right now, trying to fit it onto the 20x28" poster. I found very early on that the X axis definitely needs to be condensed in order to make it fit, and you did a good job of that.
I'll point out a few differences on the map that I'm working on, just so that we can compare notes, in case it gives one of us an idea that'll improve a future version:
1) The biggest change that I've done is I've shown the streetcar lines on my map, using a thinner line weight red colour. No stops or anything are shown, just an indication of "hey, these are actually there". LRT lines are shown in the same line weight, but are independently coloured.
2) I think I've worked out a numbering/lettering system that works well, and wouldn't require the TTC to re-sign anything they've just recently signed. The basis is this: Heavy Rail (Subway and GO RER) lines are numbered, while LRT, BRT, and streetcar routes are lettered. This gives an instant level of stratification, whereby longer haul routes are numbered, and secondary or feeder routes are lettered.
3) I've shown connecting local transit routes from other municipalities in grey. I think they're useful to show for connectivity purposes, and the grey is 'passive' enough that it doesn't draw the eye. I think showing the TTC system as part of a larger, interconnected regional system is important.
4) I've shown GO RER lines in a light green, because I think in the not-too-distant future they'll become as important to transit in Toronto as most TTC RT routes are now. SmartTrack is shown in a different colour.
5) I'm using a vertical tick along the line to indicate an LRT stop, whereas I have full circles to indicate actual stations. I think the distinctions between full stations and stops is important, but I also think that stops should be labelled on the RT map as well. Streetcar stops are fine to omit though, as there's way too many of them.
6) With the extra vertical space on the map, I'm also including a simplified version of the GO RER network, so that riders can see the extent of that network, even if it isn't shown on the actual TTC map. It won't have nearly as much detail as the TTC version, but I think that's important to include.
Great map though. And I like that you've only used 0, 45, and 90 degree angles. I think that increases legibility immensely, even if it does create the occasional distortion.
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the lemur
Senior Member
What part of the Paris metro doesn't run on rails? Do you mean the entire RATP system? If you remove the rail lines, you're left with a map of bus routes, like this:
http://www.infrancia.org/parigi/paris_fr/plan-bus-de-paris.html
P23
Active Member
he was making a joke