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Transit City Plan

Which transit plan do you prefer?

  • Transit City

    Votes: 95 79.2%
  • Ford City

    Votes: 25 20.8%

  • Total voters
    120
We need to write to ALL the people in power, who may have any kind of say in getting Transit City built.

In addition to contacting your local councillor, TTC commissioners, Premier of Ontario, and you local MPP (& MP), we should also contact Metrolinx. CC to the Mayor.
 
Transit City is dead. The Eglinton LRT may revert to its original form, but the Sheppard Subway will be extended to Vic Park and Finch will be BRT instead of LRT. So it's not really Transit City at all.
 
Transit City is dead. The Eglinton LRT may revert to its original form, but the Sheppard Subway will be extended to Vic Park and Finch will be BRT instead of LRT. So it's not really Transit City at all.

Even if it is revived in some form, I don't think they would even use that name anymore. The TTC Board has been stacked with Ford-friendly people, and if they're going to revert back to at least part of what was there before he took office, they'll at least name it something else so that Ford can save face.

Having said that, the Stintz plan has almost as much in common with Network 2011 or the RTES than it does with Transit City.
 
Mayor Rob Ford had no authority to cancel Transit City, lawyers say

From The Star:

Mayor Rob Ford had no authority to cancel Transit City, lawyers say

Published On Sun Jan 29 2012

Tess Kalinowski Transportation Reporter

A report by a respected Toronto law firm says Mayor Rob Ford exceeded his legal authority when he cancelled Transit City without city council approval.

Councillor Joe Mihevc, who solicited the legal opinion, will release it publicly on Monday.

It says the mayor had no business entering into a non-binding memorandum of understanding with the province that authorized a new transit plan, including a Sheppard subway and a longer tunnel on the Eglinton light rail line. It says he further overstepped his powers when he told TTC chief general manager Gary Webster to stop work on Transit City.

Since the mayor had no legal authority to enter into the memorandum of understanding, it shouldn’t be acted upon until council approves it, say the lawyers. Until that happens, it is only an agreement in principle.

Mihevc is calling on the mayor and city manager to bring the transit issue before council immediately.

The lawyers’ report comes as a battle is brewing between the mayor’s office and city councillors from across the political spectrum, including Ford allies John Parker and TTC chair Karen Stintz. They disagree with the transit plan the mayor committed to with the province.

According to the report by lawyers Freya Kristjanson and Amanda Darrach, Ford “did not follow the proper procedure for obtaining City Council’s authorization to rescind Transit City and develop and approve an alternate plan.â€

“Under the City of Toronto Act, the power of the city resides in City Council. The Mayor of Toronto has very little independent authority beyond his role as head of City Council. Unless specific power is delegated to him, the mayor does not have the authority to speak for the city independently,†wrote the lawyers, from Cavalluzzo, Hayes, Shilton, McIntyre & Cornish.

Kristjanson was counsel to Mayor Hazel McCallion during last year’s Mississauga judicial inquiry.

The legal implications transcend the transit issue, said Mihevc. Although Transit City is the most egregious example of the mayor’s dictatorial approach to government, the city needs an inquiry into how city staff, including City Manager Joe Pennachetti, are following direct orders from the mayor’s office when they are supposed to be directed by council, he said.

“Staff followed the dictates of the mayor but they shouldn’t have done that,†said Mihevc. “People were feeling their jobs were at risk so they buckled.â€

“Indeed the province buckled,†by entering into the non-binding agreement, he said.

But Mihevc said he has some sympathy for its position, given that the memorandum of understanding was forged following Ford’s landslide victory and the impending provincial election.

Although the mayor did receive some new powers under the City of Toronto Act that took effect in 2007, including the authority to appoint the deputy mayor and standing committee chairs, “Generally, executive and legislative powers rest with full council,†says the lawyer’s report.

“The only additional independent duties given to the mayor, as compared with any other councillor, arise from his or her role as head of council,†it says.

Declaring Transit City dead was the mayor’s first act when he took office in Dec. 2010. City councillors at the time called for the matter to be put before council. But the mayor refused, saying Transit City had never had council approval.

At the time, buoyed by strong electoral support, Ford might have persuaded a majority of councillors to vote against the previous administration’s transit plans. That outcome seems less certain now that a majority of councillors are said to dissent from Ford’s transit vision.

The mayor is insisting the entire length of the Eglinton LRT be built underground, except where it crosses the Don Valley. But councillors across the spectrum now believe the tunnel should be shorter to save as much as $2 billion that could be spent on transit in other areas.

The lawyers’ report says Transit City was approved by council in 2007 as part of the Climate Change, Clean Air and Sustainable Energy Action Plan. “After that, City Council considered and vote on the necessary elements of the program as they came before council.â€
 
Great, another thing to stall construction on a transit project. How typically Toronto.

WIth all the infighting, I predict the Eglinton LRT will be built according to TC plan (underground Jane to Laird, at grade Laird to Kennedy) and nothing else.

Councillors can't agree on whether Finch should be BRT or LRT or whether Sheppard should be LRT or Subway or whether Sheppard should be built east or west.

Also, the premier wants to cut funding out of the budget and this would save billions.
 
WIth all the infighting, I predict the Eglinton LRT will be built according to TC plan (underground Jane to Laird, at grade Laird to Kennedy) and nothing else.

Councillors can't agree on whether Finch should be BRT or LRT or whether Sheppard should be LRT or Subway or whether Sheppard should be built east or west.

Also, the premier wants to cut funding out of the budget and this would save billions.

Incorrect about councillors not agreeing.

From this link:

June 16-19, 2007: City council unanimously adopts a broad climate-change strategy that encompasses a range of measures such as energy retrofits, renewable energy projects and tree planting, as well as a sustainable transportation plan that includes Transit City, among other moves. Mr. Ford votes in favour of the plan.

Nov. 14, 2007: TTC receives staff report confirming that the proposed Transit City lines satisfy range of evaluation criteria and decides to move ahead with first four priority projects – Finch West, Eglinton Crosstown, Sheppard East and the Scarborough Rapid Transit replacement. The report is forwarded to city council and the Greater Toronto Transportation Authority (now Metrolinx).

The report says it is “premature” to draw conclusions about community and political support for Transit City, but notes that TTC staff has received “strong support” from city councillors for Etobicoke-Finch LRT. As well, the report notes, “All City councillors through whose ward the Sheppard East light rail line would pass, have expressed strong support for proceeding with this line.”

Jan. 28, 2009: During a debate on subway expansion, council votes to ask Metrolinx to prioritize a “downtown relief line” while acknowledging that Transit City remains the “first priority” for the TTC and the City. Mr. Ford votes in favour.

Nov. 30, 2009: City council approves Eglinton LRT environmental assessment study by a 37-1 vote (Ms. Stintz votes in favour; Mr. Ford votes against)

Jan. 26, 2010: City council approves Finch West LRT environmental assessment study by 40-2 vote (Ms. Stintz votes in favour; Mr. Ford votes against)

June 8, 2010: City council approves conversion of Scarborough RT to LRT by a vote of 38-1 (both Mr. Ford and Ms. Stintz vote in favour).

To date, there has been no vote at city council on Rob Ford's changes.
 
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As a follower of this saga, even I'm confused of where the hell we are on this project! My understanding was that the MOU required council to vote on the new plan before being locked in, which was to be next month. This explains why there is all of this noise now: the vote is coming up and more and more councilors are seeing the drawbacks to Ford's plan. As far as I know, the province is going ahead with the MOU until further notice.

Am I up to date on all of this?
 
As a follower of this saga, even I'm confused of where the hell we are on this project! My understanding was that the MOU required council to vote on the new plan before being locked in, which was to be next month. This explains why there is all of this noise now: the vote is coming up and more and more councilors are seeing the drawbacks to Ford's plan. As far as I know, the province is going ahead with the MOU until further notice.

Am I up to date on all of this?

Yes you are.

I am hoping for the original eglinton plan + subway extension to SCC and a DRL + Finch West LRT.
 
I'm also getting lost. If Ford doesn't want a vote doesn't he have the ability to stall until councillors eventually support him lest the whole project be stopped?
Also.........did I get that figure correct, $1 billion for a 2km suburban subway extension?
 
I'm also getting lost. If Ford doesn't want a vote doesn't he have the ability to stall until councillors eventually support him lest the whole project be stopped?
Also.........did I get that figure correct, $1 billion for a 2km suburban subway extension?

Ford can't stop anything without council support. If his own executive committee is rallying against his plan, he's nothing but a shouting deranged man on a street corner.

The $1B for the extension to Victoria Park is so expensive because it's not your typical subway extension. Crossing a major highway is what makes this such a complex project and it was the reason why the Sheppard line stopped at Don Mills. I actually support this new plan over Transit City because once the 404 is cleared, an ongoing subway expansion (2 stations every 2-3 years) is feasible with predictable financing.

While Sheppard has no demand for its own subway line, if completed as a subway, with a connection to the Bloor/Danforth line, it could eventually be part of a ring line that circles the city and provides a much needed spine that feeds other methods of transit. Not all is lost on Sheppard and it can be made to become an asset after all.
 
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You make a good point about getting over the obstacle, but I don't buy the argument that the highway crossing should cost anything near that amount. The Canada Line--remember the one that cost $130 million per kilometre--included this:

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I'd say that's more complicated than any highway crossing.

I'd also like to challenge the myth that Sheppard is somehow "useless" or a "failure." Just because its cars aren't uncomfortably overcrowded all day long doesn't mean that it isn't a very useful and well-used piece of transit infrastructure that would be even more useful if it were completed as originally intended. I live in New York and we have lots of subway lines here that carry far fewer people than the Sheppard Line. Same with many lines in Europe. Nobody runs around calling them a failure or useless. For Sheppard, the further east it goes, the more people you'll get transferring from north-south bus routes. They're what will really send ridership soaring. Right now, only the Don Mills bus route could really be called major. But add Vic Park, Warden, and Kennedy and now you're talking about serious traffic.
 
WIth all the infighting, I predict the Eglinton LRT will be built according to TC plan (underground Jane to Laird, at grade Laird to Kennedy) and nothing else.

Councillors can't agree on whether Finch should be BRT or LRT or whether Sheppard should be LRT or Subway or whether Sheppard should be built east or west.

Also, the premier wants to cut funding out of the budget and this would save billions.
I say cut that Spadina extension.
 

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