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Transit City Plan

Which transit plan do you prefer?

  • Transit City

    Votes: 95 79.2%
  • Ford City

    Votes: 25 20.8%

  • Total voters
    120
The immediate justification for the Sheppard line was one of the busiest routes in the city, crippled by traffic, and primed for tens of thousands of added residents.


IIRC, the justification for the line was that downtown North York was to be a major destination. As it turned out (not surprisingly) what developed there for the most part was residential. So the area and line, instead of being a destination is now the point of origin to feed the established core.
 
North York Centre began developing because of the Yonge subway extension, although Sheppard did trigger more permitted density along Yonge, not to mention condos along Sheppard itself. There are no destinations in the entire city that come close to comparing with the downtown core, so it's not a surprise - it's expected - that people will use transit to get there (the triple platform is proof that crowds were expected to be transferring between lines). North York was supposed to have probably double or more the number of jobs, but employment growth hasn't been as quick as residential...even if more jobs were there, not many more people wouldn't take the Sheppard line to work because they only built 1/3 of the line.
 
North York was supposed to have probably double or more the number of jobs, but employment growth hasn't been as quick as residential...even if more jobs were there, not many more people wouldn't take the Sheppard line to work because they only built 1/3 of the line.


Not just North York but the whole city. In fact Toronto is over one quarter of a million jobs short of its projections according to the City of Toronto Official Plan. This an an interesting point when it comes to he subject of Public Transportation. If both population and employment are stagnant, should there be any massive investments in public transit? How cost effective is it?
 
I think it is sad that North York Centre is mostly residential. It is definitely an area that can and should have more office buildings. City planners should save the Yonge/Sheppard intersection for high rise office buildings and not permit condos to take over the intersection.

Toronto desperately needs more jobs within the core. Most companies are still moving to the suburbs due to cheaper rent.

Thus people are living in North York Centre because it is close to the suburban jobs in Markham/Richmond Hill, and close to downtown Toronto for entertainment needs.

North York Centre would be better with more office. It would be a true live/work/play area.
 
NYCC is what it is, and if what you say about cross-NYCC/YRCCs is valid, maybe new subways should be linking those centres over a stunted Scarborough Town Centre with relatively few undeveloped hectares remaining in contrast to Markham/Unionville and the Highway 7 corridor.
 
Not just North York but the whole city. In fact Toronto is over one quarter of a million jobs short of its projections according to the City of Toronto Official Plan. This an an interesting point when it comes to he subject of Public Transportation. If both population and employment are stagnant, should there be any massive investments in public transit? How cost effective is it?

Population isn't stagnant along subway lines...and ridership is going up. We should invest in transit for reasons too numerous and obvious to list here.

I think it is sad that North York Centre is mostly residential. It is definitely an area that can and should have more office buildings. City planners should save the Yonge/Sheppard intersection for high rise office buildings and not permit condos to take over the intersection.

Yes, there should be more offices. In time, maybe exurban office parks will go out of style and business will move back to the city. Ideally, we'd keep great sites as parking lots for decades until they're ready to build more office towers, but that's not always practical or reasonable. Hullmark at the SE corner of Yonge & Sheppard will include almost over 200,000 sq.ft of offices, and retail adds both jobs and lots of shopping trips to transit, so not everything up there is inappropriately condoish.

NYCC is what it is, and if what you say about cross-NYCC/YRCCs is valid, maybe new subways should be linking those centres over a stunted Scarborough Town Centre with relatively few undeveloped hectares remaining in contrast to Markham/Unionville and the Highway 7 corridor.

Where is YRCC and why should we build subways there?
 
Population isn't stagnant along subway lines...and ridership is going up. We should invest in transit for reasons too numerous and obvious to list here.
Yes, there should be more offices.
Where is YRCC and why should we build subways there?

The condo/office tower divide in NYCC is nonsensical. North York Centre Stn, in spite of no surface routes pulls 16, 000 ppd. If there wasn't a balance of business/residential interests I doubt the number would be so high. Practically every condo nowadays has ground floor retail proving this, making every single high-rise from Poyntz to Church/Churchville somewhat a mix bag.

YRCCs- York Region City Centres, of which there are several- Markham, Unionville, Richmond Hill, Vaughan Corporate. Woodbridge and Cornell could potentially become 'boomtowns' within a decade or two. I hate the fact our transit system's designed with the public expectation that one single line must meander on into oblivion to link every known transit hub/office-commercial cluster but...

Theoretically the VIVA system can be the forerunner of a Hwy 7 subway line, since all the aforementioned nodal centres string up quite conveniently east-west, better than approaching each node separately from the south through relatively sprawling, semi-industrial/housed residential intermediate areas.
 
North York Centre's ridership has grown to over 26,000. It could top out at 40,000.

The '401 to 407' band across the city actually has surprisingly dense concentrations, with all kinds of mini-nodes (huge residential clusters, post-secondary institutions, etc.) that could be very well served by rocket bus routes and some LRT, in addition to already-proposed subway extensions (including Sheppard both ways). #7 will likely never warrant a subway line, but north/south bus or LRT lines that run through the '401-407' band could be wildly successful. Routes like Bathurst and Warden are absolutely perfect for something more than just regular buses.
 
While we are talking about job growth, how does everyone here feel about the citys recent efforts to get more jobs downtown? Specific things, such as lowering taxes, etc. Is the city moving fast enough on these issues?
 
Population isn't stagnant along subway lines...and ridership is going up. We should invest in transit for reasons too numerous and obvious to list here.


That very well may be the case but my point still stands. Regardless of the population growth, if the other side of the commuting equation, the destination, is not also in the city, will added residents translate into more transit users. Keeping with current trends, most likely residents in Toronto will be finding employment in the 905 region. So the questions are at what point do you reach saturation and where should future expansion go.
 
Transit lines that bring people from the suburbs downtown also take city dwellers out to suburban job sites. We can also increase riders by improving service.
 
Jane LRT TC85-1D Consulting contract

Does anyone know the contents of the consulting contract for the Jane LRT? The reason is that I noticed that there were contracts for each of the Light Rail routes in Transit City, except for one (Transit City Light Rail Transit Consulting Services). The missing one is the St. Clair West LRT extension from Gunns to Jane. I was wondering if it is included in the Jane LRT or not.
 
TTC to move ahead with light-rail transit


JEFF GRAY
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
February 28, 2008 at 5:08 AM EST

Toronto's $6-billion plans to spread light-rail rapid transit lines across its inner suburbs are going ahead, the city's transit agency said yesterday, despite no word on funding from the federal government.
Queen's Park has already promised to cover about $4-billion of the cost of the 120 kilometres in proposed transit lines, with about $2-billion hoped for from Ottawa. But so far, the Conservatives have not pledged to write a cheque, although it has approved funding to extend the Spadina subway and for other, smaller transit projects in the region.
Toronto Transit Commission officials told a commission meeting yesterday that preliminary engineering studies on three priority lines - Sheppard East, Eglinton and Etobicoke-Finch West - were already complete, and the required environmental studies were either under way or scheduled for this spring. Even without federal funding, Mayor David Miller and transit officials say work will start with just provincial money flowing.
"I don't think Torontonians have taken in that this is real," Joe Mihevc, vice-chair of the TTC, said of the light-rail plans, announced with fanfare last year and then quickly included in the province's $11.5-billion regional transit plans. "... This is showing that it is real."
He said construction could start next year.
The TTC yesterday also approved a $1.1-million plan to hire 12 mechanics to replace a key part on its 182 Orion V buses, which it acquired in 1996 and 1997. The buses need new rear-axle bolts, the TTC says, as they are corroding earlier than anticipated. Without immediate action, all 182 Orion V buses would have to be out of commission by the end of the year.
While other similar buses, and the Orion Vs themselves, have had technical problems before - including prematurely rusting bodies and defective power steering - TTC chief general manager Gary Webster said there was no safety risk to passengers and that the buses were not "lemons."
Each bus is inspected regularly, he said, and there are eight bolts in each wheel assembly. When one goes, all will be replaced, he said.
The TTC also approved proposed artwork for the $93-million redesign of Union Station's platforms, after a jury selected a concept by artist Stuart Reid entitled Zones of Immersion that involves a stained-glass panorama and features bold colours and sketchbook-like designs.
 
Steve Munro has a detailed update on the Transit City projects following last week's TTC meeting at
HTML:
http://stevemunro.ca/
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He's also got a link to the 44-page report presented at the meeting at
HTML:
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/transitcity200802.pdf
which is not up on the TTC's website yet. Lots of graphs and maps and charts if you're into that.
 

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