Fad225
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^ haha no its the University of Waterloo's School of Planning's design studio and digital lab
That's why you don't rejoin it! Birchmount North, Birchmount South. It's that simple.
Yes, but anybody riding from UTSC, let alone Morningside Heights, would still find it far faster to go to STC to catch the RT (especially if the RT were replaced by a subway) than to go on a streetcar all the way down to Eglinton and then all the way west to Kennedy.
Which portion would be constructed underground?
17 Birchmount doesn't have high enough a riderhsip to warrant the split. You'd be inconveniencing more passengers than you'd help with the detour. Anyone remembering the fiasco that was 268 Warden North? Anyone?! This is a very silly argument. I never suggested a single subway platform would stretch on for one third of a kilometre, but rather if the entrence/exit points were strategically located at the ends of each platform by the time passengers acsend two stairwells and a mezzanine they'll be pretty close to the intersections I mentioned, like a half-block away. Tell me one BD stop that exceeds that proximity.
Wouldn't the majority travel flow be geared southwest towards downtown?
How do you propose running subways at grade along 13.8 kms of Don Mills Rd? A DRL would be too extensive if it included Don Mills, with far apart spaced stations in the core to offset the extra costs it'll take take to bring a subway all the way up Don Mills to Steeles. As such it would lose whatever potential value it has to make inter-city travel seamless. Preferably I'd like to see the TTC build a loop line that encircles the core; the rail corridor but along some of the major interior arteries as well like King or Queen. It doesn't have to be existing subway technology or completely above or underground but if possible someone should look into it.
The 268 was a YRT route that went all the way up to 16th - it has nothing to do with Birchmount's situation. Birchmount buses would be able to get to a Warden & Sheppard in about 1 minute; 800m is hardly a significant "detour" - all buses going to STC make at least a 400m detour, for example.
Most UTSC students do not live downtown...I wouldn't be surprised if a majority live north of the 401. I doubt UTSC will generate more than a few thousand rides a day along the Morningside line...Ellesmere would be a better option, funnelling in all the bus routes from west of Morningside. People coming from York or Durham won't take the line, and many will continue to drive.
An extensive DRL that included Don Mills would be wonderful.
I like the loop idea
I'll just take a guess and assume a parallel bus route will accomany this new subway. With gaps as gi-normous as Warden to Allenford you'd need a conveyor belt the side of four football fields to get across. See why I opposed this extension, you claim it's for local accessibility yet you put stops miles apart. I hope by the time they do build Sheppard East they reconsider the planned stop locations. Even a one minute detour of the Birchmount bus is illogical when Allenford is, no matter what you claim, walking distance away.?
That's not the point. You're telling me you'd invest in building a SRT style route through the hydro corridor and river valley that exists between Neilson and SGC when STC-UTSC on the 38 is only 15 mins or less? Several students in fact take courses at both UTSC and St Geogre campuses and probably wish the 116E ran all day. I don't think the TC line all the way to Morningside Heights is necessary, but UTSC does make for a logical terminus.
I agree both DRL and Don Mills need to exist in some fashion but not as parts of the same line.
If Birchmount is walking distance from Allanford, why must there be a stop there? By running Birchmount to Warden, you can spend a minute on the road to save a minute on the subway.
Alternatively they could tear down Agincourt mall and all the surrounding strip malls (that small pharma plus / chinese super market and that crap plaza on Birchmount with the Shoppers Drug Mart and prono store) and integrate it into a revitilization of the area that includes a smarter layout (with underground retail) for a complete transit hub completer with non-ghetto retail.
Hey, I can dream can't I?
And the bus wouldn't connect with the station at all à la Ellesmere...wonderful!
It's 400m from Birchmount to Allanford and a subway platform is 150m long, that's quite a bit more than stations are north of Bloor or Danforth.
Mezzanine levels built out to the Kennedy and Birchmount buses would be no more of a hindrance than other colossal suburban terminals (Wilson, York Mills, Don Mills, Downsview, Main Street, Warden, Kennedy and of course FINCH!).