Wow... Then Dupont Street needs a subway
I'll assume the emoji means you're joking rather than being purposely obtuse.
First, there IS a subway station at Dupont Street.
Second, the point is simply that population growth (and thereby 905 riders going to Finch) is happening even if you do nothing.
you can say it's York Region's problem if you like, but it won't help you get a seat at Eglinton.
What happens north of Steeles isn't the city's mandate to fix. York have options to address that, that's not the TTC or Toronto's job to do it for York Region. I really don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
If I'm a Barrie resident who drives south on Yonge and gets stuck in traffic from Highway 7 to Finch, I don't give a hoot whose mandate you think it is to fix it. Transit doesn't respect borders or mandates. Everyone has to do their part with TDM and supply management. I don't know what's hard to understand about
that.
It says York Region Transportation department. I don't see the city of Toronto logo.
Jeeze louise - pardonnez moi for thinking you'd look at the WORDS instead of the LOGOS. Lemme help:
So, they collaborated on it and agreed YR would take lead. Is it sufficiently clear that the staff of these municipalities disagree with your "mandate" concept of traffic management?
Toronto shouldn't have to pay for the O&M north of Steeles nor being force to pay to build a subway they clearly don't need.
And yet they have an approved Secondary Plan recognizing the need for the subway. WEIRD!
And yet council approved it. WEIRD!
As for O&M, you don't know it will be on Toronto because that hasn't been determined. They may well, as part of an actual funding agreement, require YR to contribute. Right now, yes, you have the Spadina agreement to use as a precedent, but you don't know what will actually happen here. As I've said, I have no problem with YR having to take that on.
(I see BMO beat me to this point as I was typing. Good. You keep saying it as if it's a fact. It is not.)
If YRT is so convinced that a subway is viable, it would have been planned as such but it would bankrupt York Region due to low ridership. The ridership even as of 2031 isn't even close to warrant a subway.
I don't have to explain anything in regards to YR funding a subway.
You do if you're going to say something ridiculous like, "York Region should fund its own subway," which you did.
Fact is that if they did:
-they'd compete, rather than work with, toronto to obtain funding from the very same sources
-it would be a ridiculous, inefficient waste to develop a 4km subway
-it would still dump riders onto TTC, either at Steeles or Finch
Hyperbolic nonsense and a real lack of understanding of how and why the subway ended up on the table in the first place. I'll mention only - because few here seem to remember it - that it was NOT York Region's idea. It was the province who surprised them with it, while they were set to start building BRT lanes there. Blaming them for meeting provincial policy and asking when they're getting the necessary infrastructure they were promised is similarly nonsensical.
If you want to throw out the LRT idea, OK. I've said I'm open to seeing comparative studies when certain people here have said it wasn't done. I'm not going to reiterate or re-explain how that alters the subway-centric planning context that's now in place, in Markham, Vaughan, Richmond Hill and Toronto; but it does. But, I'm fine with it if it will appease anyone who thinks the ship hasn't already sailed there.
I haven't cross referenced this thread with the Scarborough thread to see how this analysis lines up with comments over there.....but.....it throws a whole lot of heated debate on the Line 2 extension out the window if we are not willing to ask for a transfer on the north end up where the ridership transitions from full subway to lighter rail/BRT
Again, look at the history of this has unfolded.
How are people pushing for this and saying Sheppard East and Scarborough are not viable?
Again, look at a map, look at the planning that's in place already.
If you can't understand the difference between a 6km underground tunnel beneath Scarborough - where projected growth has largely been stagnant and where no new residential units are currently planned - and a 6km extension under a contiguous, urban Yonge Street corridor where major intensification is both happening and planned, I can't help.
But my answer to your question is: easily.
(At least in regards to SSE.)