innsertnamehere
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please tell me where you propose to fit this at grade subway line.
You're too smart to play this dumb.
I know you get my point...you just won't admit it.
Perhaps but as of today, your 50k new residents aren't there. It's York Region job to figure out how to move these people, not Toronto.
Then build your own subway like the New Jersey Path to Steeles. If it was this viable, York wouldn't need Toronto but York knows full well that Richmond Hill Centre to Steeles doesn't warrants the billions required to build it.
They were dumped on us by the province who won't help fix them. Then you have the 905 using them. If you're unhappy with the tolls, then stay home. However cities around the world who installed them haven't really saw a decrease in car traffic.
They are just pointing out the obvious
please tell me where you propose to fit this at grade subway line.
Huh. Looking at the map, it actually wouldn't require all that much expropriation of houses. You could feasibly tunnel(/mine) until after Cummer and have it trenched to Doncaster north of Steeles. Wouldn't really work past Doncaster though, making TBM still the desirable option.You could do it Bloor-Danforth style: draw a line on the map in the next block past Yonge Street. Try to align the corridor with existing public assets like parallel side streets and laneways to minimize expropriation. Expropriate and demolish any houses that are in the way. Build a trench or cut-and-cover tunnel with parks and commuter lots on top.
All I'm saying, is that a new EA would be in order to apply the same criteria we use for subways on the Richmond Hill project. Feel free to point out where I'm wrong or misreading or want to debate this, respectfully of course.
They were dumped on us by the province who won't help fix them.
Wow... Then Dupont Street needs a subwayFirst, some of those residents are there. Two condo towers are already up and 2 more are in the works.
Well, Toronto did look at extending the subway to Steeles. That's the city's way to address traffic on Yonge south of Steeles knowing full well that there would be no point for YRT and GO buses to drive on Yonge. What happens north of Steeles isn't the city's mandate to fix. York have options to address that, that's not the TTC or Toronto's job to do it for York Region. I really don't know what's so hard to understand about that.I guess I don't get your point. From where I sit, the traffic is obviously everyone's problem. If 20,000 people move into Markham and half of them start driving down into Toronto to work, that's not York Region's job to deal with; not on their own. And since we'd all rather those people used transit, seems counter-productive to throw up roadblocks like a double fare, a "YRT subway" or whatever other cockamamie notions are out there. Besides which, the various YR municipalities have done plenty of transportation study work in the area but you can't achieve success in a vacuum.
It says York Region Transportation department. I don't see the city of Toronto logo.Hey, look - here's a recent time York Region and Toronto looked at traffic issues in the Yonge-Steeles corridor, almost as if they have a common interest!
Toronto shouldn't have to pay for the O&M north of Steeles nor being force to pay to build a subway they clearly don't need. If YRT is so convinced that a subway is viable, it would have been planned as such but it would bankrupt York Region due to low ridership. The ridership even as of 2031 isn't even close to warrant a subway.Now who's too smart to play dumb? Where would they get the money to do so? Same place as Toronto - feds and province and their own property taxes. Same difference. And they'd still have to interface with TTC. You haven't solved the capacity issue or anything else. Honestly, I can't think of anything that makes less sense than this absurd "why don't they build their own subway?" nonsense.
I don't have to explain anything in regards to YR funding a subway. The subway plan is crazy and ridiculous, for the same amount of money, YR could have LRT lines almost all over the place linking YR cities and their centers together.Seriously - explain to me how YR funds a YRT subway and how operations work as it interfaces with TTC which has, totally separately, expanded its 416-only subway to Steeles.
People transfer to NYC subway. That's all. Also, Steeles station wouldn't be only a Toronto station but it would also be a York Region Station. But again, you keep conveniently ignore the fiscal aspect of the subway into Richmond Hill. The O&M would be on Toronto's laps, sure we get the higher fares from Richmond Hill but that ridership is so fuc*** low north of Steeles that it makes no sense to proceed.Does the PATH train magically transform into the A Train once it reaches Manhattan? (We also don't have anything remotely like the Port Authority and the PATH isn't a "New Jersey" subway, but whatever; it's not like anything else is comparable either. Except that Steeles Avenue is awfully similar to the Hudson River, right?)
Until that happens, Torontonians will always oppose subways leaving it's borders when you have parts of the city with no rapid transitAs I said, my preference is regional funding and regional authority.
Last time I checked we still used that model to determine the right mode to use right?
Well, Toronto did look at extending the subway to Steeles. That's the city's way to address traffic on Yonge south of Steeles knowing full well that there would be no point for YRT and GO buses to drive on Yonge. What happens north of Steeles isn't the city's mandate to fix.
Not in Scarborough apparently.