Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

Cobra said:
That line needs to go west....way down the road
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Run it east to Agincourt to connect with ST/RER/whatever. Use BRT east of that on Sheppard (and not LRT). Lets the bus routes coming down from Markham tie into the whole thing, both to downtown and westwards to Yonge/Sheppard.

- Paul
 
raptor said:
Can someone please explain why line 4 cannot become a branch of line 1?
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Assuming you're talking about a branch of the Yonge line, and not an extension to the Spadina line...
From easy to hard:
1) They would need to finish the Sheppard line platforms to the full 6 car length
2a) The connection between the lines skips Sheppard Station, meaning branch trains would run non-stop from Bayview to York Mills
2b) To allow trains to from from Bayview to Sheppard station, they would need to run two different services on Sheppard. Only 1/2 of trains would run from Don Mills to Sheppard station. The other 1/2 would require you to ride to York Mills and double back on Yonge to get to Sheppard/Yonge
3) Yonge is currently at track capacity, so any Sheppard trains would need to replace Finch trains. Scheduling this would be very difficult.
4) The connection between the lines is a single track. All southbound Sheppard trains would need to block the northbound Yonge line briefly. There is no room in the schedule to allow for this.
 
Markster said:
Assuming you're talking about a branch of the Yonge line, and not an extension to the Spadina line...
From easy to hard:
1) They would need to finish the Sheppard line platforms to the full 6 car length
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This will take a couple of weekends, a sledge hammer, and someone who can put down tile.

2a) The connection between the lines skips Sheppard Station, meaning branch trains would run non-stop from Bayview to York Mills
2b) To allow trains to from from Bayview to Sheppard station, they would need to run two different services on Sheppard. Only 1/2 of trains would run from Don Mills to Sheppard station. The other 1/2 would require you to ride to York Mills and double back on Yonge to get to Sheppard/Yonge
4) The connection between the lines is a single track. All southbound Sheppard trains would need to block the northbound Yonge line briefly. There is no room in the schedule to allow for this.
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These 3 points aren't entirely correct. There is a connection from Sheppard to Southbound Yonge after passing through Sheppard station (North Platform Sheppard Line) in the tail tracks. It would be clumsy to use but would work. Yonge North to Sheppard East would work as you describe, skipping Sheppard station.

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archives/maps/ttc-subway-track-diagram-2014.pdf
 
rbt said:
These 3 points aren't entirely correct. There is a connection from Sheppard to Southbound Yonge after passing through Sheppard station (North Platform Sheppard Line) in the tail tracks. It would be clumsy to use but would work. Yonge North to Sheppard East would work as you describe, skipping Sheppard station.
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Aha, I did not know about the connector on the west side!

So there are options for different, but equally ridiculous/terrible service design! I don't think they'd get on board with a service plan that sees a train carrying passengers drive to the tail track, have the driver switch ends, and then start going again!
 
If you see this extension before 2040, you will be so lucky.

Until the DRL is up to Finch, let alone Steeles, the DRL is going to do nothing for the Yonge Line.

What every riders are remove off the Yonge Line by the DRL, they will be replace by new riders from all the new towers being built on Yonge St or 2 blocks on either side of it.

One only has to go Eglinton to see this today as well what is on the books to be done.

You look at the land from 401 to Steeles with a vision of tall towers replace most of this area, let alone going south to see TTC will need another Yonge Line by 2050. That line needs to use Bay St south of Eglinton as the existing stations will "NEVER" handle the ridership of both lines.

Yonge subway extension to York Region takes step forward
 
Agreed, that we would need a DRL to at least Sheppard before this extension could go through. However I think the whole approach is wrong anyway. It becomes hugely inefficient to have such a long subway line with the kind of stop-spacing it has, both for operations and passengers. This traffic should be handled by regional rail. I think they should put BRT on Yonge with the aim of funneling people to Richmond Hill, and have frequent all-day two-way service on the GO line. That's where the money should be aimed.

Of course this would only work with proper fare integration. If you make it the same price and more convenient for people to use GO, then they would go for the faster trip. I know it's probably not politically doable, but region-wide fare-by-distance on all services would support getting more regional trips onto regional services, instead of the overloaded local ones.
 
Aren't most people along the extension path already taking the Yonge subway? They are just busing/driving to Finch to board. So if the line is extended north the gain in passengers may not be significant, and the apocalypse that many posters here are proclaiming won't happen. It will just reduce a lot of traffic congestion on Yonge Street as so many cars and buses won't be parking at Finch.
 
I read somewhere Vaughan subway did not stop at York U because York U doesn't want to be the funnel mouth and burst by the parking lots. The passengers are already there, or you can tell the province to halt development north of Steeles. Problem solved.
 
darth_freeman said:
Aren't most people along the extension path already taking the Yonge subway? They are just busing/driving to Finch to board. So if the line is extended north the gain in passengers may not be significant, and the apocalypse that many posters here are proclaiming won't happen. It will just reduce a lot of traffic congestion on Yonge Street as so many cars and buses won't be parking at Finch.
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and ignore the construction of new condos and planned building along Yonge Street north of Steeles? For example, see link and link.
 
W. K. Lis said:
and ignore the construction of new condos and planned building along Yonge Street north of Steeles? For example, see link and link.
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these condos are topping up no matter the extension or not. BRT was more of the selling point. The problem is the official plan has already designated the Yonge corridor as high density. You need to revise this, basically halt the development north of Steeles.
 
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