If it's so easy, I guess my question is why no one made any effort to do so when the station was designed. But, really, despite the protests above, it remains non-sensical. You're still asking people to start at Yonge, take a train over to Leslie/Sheppard and then take two transfers to get back to Yonge. And that's assuming there is no fare premium, even after integration, for using two systems. Why on earth would any one of the 7 billion human beings on this planet ever do such a thing? You know what they'll do? They'll drive to Finch, same as ever, and you'll have accomplished nothing.
I've seen worse
within the city of Toronto. Doesn't mean
we have to build subways to correct that. There are BRT and LRT that can correct those problems for a fraction of the cost. Keep in mind that once the lines will be electrified, the GO Trains will be
much faster hence saving people even more time. I'm curious to know exactly what's the % of commuter from York region that actually gets of the subway before College in the morning... If the overwhelming majority uses the subway for the downtown core and financial district, then I don't see why the GO RER isn't the best option for the funds that are available.
I guess I'd like to see the Sheppard line properly integrated there but the idea that it in anyway is a replacement for a Yonge extension - we're talking about THREE KM here - is a bridge too far.
Again. Yonge can't take more users. A connection at Leslie on the Sheppard line would be convenient for those who need to go to stations between Sheppard-Yonge and Bloor. I'm still not convinced that the majority or a decent % of York commuters goes to Eglinton above the downtown core which can be easily accommodated by GO RER.
All this fuss over 3 km. People are actually arguing this scenario and that scenario, willing to tear up Yonge for years and get tunnel boring machines and all that, but only go to from Finch to Steeles? Boggles the mind, really.
It's not a matter of distance but
BILLIONS of dollars...that we don't have.
-I think fare integration/reconfiguration is inevitable. Metrolinx, the Golden Panel, everyone's made it clear it's a priority and cross-border projects will force their hand.
Once Presto arrives
-TTC gets the full fare AND full parking revenue from the Spadina extension.
And yet TTC and the City of Toronto will still get stuck to pay for the operating costs of a line that will be empty off peak. In Montreal, STM gets all of the subway fares and Laval and Longueuil have to pay for their share of the operating costs for the metro. STM gets provincial subsidies on top of it.
Toronto gets none of those perks and have to either cut bus and streetcar services to Toronto taxpayers or increase the fares to balance their budget. TTC is already unsustainable as it is, how worse will it be to subsidize those subways to York which will be empty off peaks.
Not
ONCE do you ever advocate for the operating costs to be equally split between both regions while I said on numerous time if Toronto had the same perks as Montreal, they're be little opposition to subway projects outside the city.
If you think there's no demand along Yonge Street, north of Finch Avenue, I'd like to congratulate you on your savvy real estate knowledge and ask if you'd perhaps be interested in a bridge I have in New York. I'll give you a great deal.
Yeah, if you don't think developing a contiguous rapid transit corridor on Yonge Street is "good planning," -- when the municipality has put in huge density targets and major developers are ready to start selling the day the subway is announced - I'm curious what fits your definition. Anticipating density at Yonge/7 is "poor planning at its best"? For real?
I'm interested in
the current demand, not the demand
that might happen
if a subway gets build. There are parts of this city that already have the demand for a subway and yet, York should get
another one. If we had unlimited funds and a steady revenue model for transit, I'd be for it, but we don't. After GO RER gets done, there won't be much left afterwards, not much for the DRL either and yet you still think Yonge should go north before the DRL. Not happening, Torontonians won't have it.
Make the argument all you want. Metroilnx's purported goal is to reduce transfers where possible and the idea of chopping up the Yonge corridor to add more is antithetical.
That's the purpose of GO RER. Why use the TTC subways to accomplish that? At least, the whole province is funding Metrolinx while the TTC is Toronto taxpayers burden. At least, you should advocate to have the province
upload the TTC then I'd be on your side.
So, in your New York people from the Bronx take commuter rail over to Queens to get on a subway to go to Manhattan instead of going straight south? In your Paris, major E/W transit nodes are built 2/3KM away from major N/S terminals?
Bronx and Queens ARE part of New York City. The subways does not go to New Jersey. That's why the PATH is there. Paris' operator is RATP, which is responsible for all of Ile-de-France region, big difference here. Funny that you approve of Paris model and yet, you haven't made the same suggestion for the GTA once...
Let's be really honest here - can any one of the people on this board who support stopping the subway at Steeles admit that if the municipal border were at Highway 7 instead of Steeles, that we would not be discussing this at all? I'm going to put on the table that I 100% believe that, whether it's conscious or not, the ONLY argument anyone posits about stopping at Steeles boils down to "that's where Toronto ends." Maybe I'm setting up a straw man - because I think the border is utterly obsolete and has been for some time - but that's what I see, over and over again. Might as well leave it at Finch in that case, I say.
Like it or not, TTC stands for Toronto Transit Commission. You can't honestly expect them to advocate for transit outside their jurisdiction. Their job is to provide service to Torontonians, which might shock you, are the ones paying for TTC. You're complaining about the wrong thing. The right thing to do for you is to write to you MPP and Metrolinx and advocate for them to upload the TTC. THEN and only THEN, the concept of borders won't make sense anymore. Until then, what do you want me to tell you, it's just the way it is for now