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You should probably direct your angry comment at Metrolinx not me.

It's not metrolinx's fault the subsidies are flat. And my comment wasn't angry though it may have been terse; it was stating facts of the provincial funding situation that Metrolinx is working within and has been doing so for a couple of decades now.

They have nearly unlimited access to capital dollars but the reigns on the operating dollars are very tight and show no signs of loosening since the taxation possibilities were killed by the population as a whole (our elected premier actually tried for months and months to convince the population it was a good idea; can't really blame her either).

So, given a fixed operating budget, how might you balance fares and service levels across all lines?
 
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What's frustrating about this whole debate is that anyone who has followed the development and construction of the UPX will have known that it's being designed as a higher-price, premium express service and not really a form of commuter rail, and would've known this for many months now. We on this board were getting upset over what the whole GTA is waking up to just now back in the beginning of this year or earlier.
 
What's frustrating about this whole debate is that anyone who has followed the development and construction of the UPX will have known that it's being designed as a higher-price, premium express service and not really a form of commuter rail, and would've known this for many months now. We on this board were getting upset over what the whole GTA is waking up to just now back in the beginning of this year or earlier.

I think the current furor is ignited by the media's short attention span and with them just "discovering" the project they are shining a light on the pricing part and for the vast majority of the public it would their first hearing of this.
 
Bruce McCuaig says it's not a bus or a commuter train and none of your silly motions are going to make it so, Council.
http://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/pdf/20140826_Letter_to_Joe_Pennachetti-UP_Express.pdf

Let's just put the entire text on thread. Emphasis as in the letter.

METROLINX
President and Chief Executive Officer
Bruce McCuaig
(416) 202-5908
CEO@metrolinx.com

August 26, 2014

Joseph Pennachetti
City Manager
City of Toronto
100 Queen Street West
East Tower, 11th Floor
Toronto, ON
M5H2N2

Dear Mr. Ptti,

RE: UP Express

Amidst the speculation and debate about UP Express, I want to provide you and members of Council with a picture of the UP Express mandate, how UP fits within the Metrolinx Regional Transportation Plan, where we are with respect to fare pricing and explain our contractual obligations with the GTAA. I hope this will help inform the potential Council debate regarding proposed motions - MM55.23 - fares to ride the Union Pearson Express (UP Express) and MM55.30 - making the Union Pearson Express fare more affordable, competitive and fair for Toronto residents.

UP Express is a dedicated airport express train, and not a commuter service.

UP Express will be a North American first: a dedicated airport express train. Unlike mass transit services that happen to include an airport stop (such as those in Vancouver, Chicago and New York), dedicated airport express trains are designed to move people between the airport and city center separately from traditional transit services. This will ensure air travelers and their luggage aren't competing for space with rush hour commuters, on vehicles designed to handle high passenger loads traveling to all parts of a city or region.

UP Express is modeled after dedicated links in leading European and Asian cities like Stockholm's Arlanda Express, Tokyo's Narita Express, London's Heathrow Express and Oslo's Flytoget Express.

In its first year of operation alone, UP Express is projected to take more than a million car trips off the road. Making it easier to get from the airport to the heart of downtown will help strengthen Toronto's economy, foster tourism and create jobs.

UP Express is on time and on budget.

UP Express is one option to get to the airport.

No one line can adequately address access to and from the airport from all parts of the GTHA. UP Express is just one aspect of the range of transportation improvements Metrolinx is bringing to the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA). TTC, GO Transit, personal vehicles, taxis and limousines will continue to play an important part in providing a wide range of alternatives both for the traveling public and for those who work at or near the airport.

To address demand for low-cost mass transit in west-end Toronto and the western GTHA, Metrolinx is committed to providing all-day, two-way GO train service on the same expanded rail corridor which UP will use. The Crosstown LRT, Mississauga Transitway, York VIVA Rapidway, and a range of other needed transit improvements coming to different parts of the region are all part of the regional transportation plan. In terms of the Crosstown, we are forward thinking and planning for a Mount Dennis stop.

With respect to the airport, we are undertaking a Transportation Study of Pearson Airport to evaluate the current and future transportation needs of travelers, airport employees and employees of the surrounding area that will support the development of a transportation plan for the Airport Area, including short-term service optimization and a long-term strategy.

To be clear, we have not yet set the pricing model for this new service.

This will occur closer to the end of the year, but will include variable pricing for families, children and frequent users including airport employees and for passengers boarding at Bloor or Weston stations. In setting this fare, Metrolinx will be considering how much people who use the service should pay for its operating costs, and how much of its cost the rest of the taxpayers should pay. We are working to ensure we develop a business model that meets the needs of as many people as possible and balances revenue, capacity and operating cost recovery.

The GTAA access fee is a requirement for us to build the service.

One aspect that is built into our model is paying the Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA) a fee of $1.85 (2010) for every passenger on the service in and out of the airport. The GTAA has required this as a condition of permitting us access to the airport. Reducing or eliminating this fee is a decision of the GTAA, not of Metrolinx. In closing, we hope this letter has helped to provide context for UP Express - a reliable, 25 minute trip between Toronto Pearson Airport and Union Station in the heart of downtown, with trains leaving every 15 minutes - as Council consider the motions.

Sincerely,

Bruce McCuaig
President & Chief Executive Officer

As far as I'm concerned, these are the choice quotes:
In terms of the Crosstown, we are forward thinking and planning for a Mount Dennis stop.
To be clear, we have not yet set the pricing model for this new service. This will occur closer to the end of the year, but will include variable pricing for families, children and frequent users including airport employees and for passengers boarding at Bloor or Weston stations.

Mt. Dennis is being planned.
There will likely be airport employee passes for purchase.
Riding from Weston may very well be cheaper.
 
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What's frustrating about this whole debate is that anyone who has followed the development and construction of the UPX will have known that it's being designed as a higher-price, premium express service and not really a form of commuter rail, and would've known this for many months now. We on this board were getting upset over what the whole GTA is waking up to just now back in the beginning of this year or earlier.

I fail to see how it is "premium" service.
How so? do they provide free premium coffee on the train? Do they help you with the luggage? Do they offer luxury lounges at Union or Pearson? Any other perks?

If it is only because it makes only two stops, and have wifi, come on, that's hardly "premium". I just don't see how it is "designed" as premium except for the possible premium price.

There are plenty of express airport trains that make few or no stops on the way to downtown among western countries. Give me one reason why Toronto's should be considered "premium" compared to them and command higher price.
 
So, from that Bruce McCuaig letter, he confirms that there will be a stop at Mt Dennis on the UPX which will connect to the Eglinton Crosstown.
 
So, from that Bruce McCuaig letter, he confirms that there will be a stop at Mt Dennis on the UPX which will connect to the Eglinton Crosstown.
No, he confirms they are planning for it. Metrolinx has already stated that the GO platform at Mount Dennis station will be designed in such a way, that a UPX platform can be added. That's planning for it ... it doesn't mean it will be built.
 
No, he confirms they are planning for it. Metrolinx has already stated that the GO platform at Mount Dennis station will be designed in such a way, that a UPX platform can be added. That's planning for it ... it doesn't mean it will be built.
Given that the UPX is opening next year, and Eglinton Crosstown doesn't open for another 5 after that, "planning" is the correct phase for it to be in.
 
No, he confirms they are planning for it. Metrolinx has already stated that the GO platform at Mount Dennis station will be designed in such a way, that a UPX platform can be added. That's planning for it ... it doesn't mean it will be built.

Given that the UPX is opening next year, and Eglinton Crosstown doesn't open for another 5 after that, "planning" is the correct phase for it to be in.

Yeah... it seems like there's a good chance ;)
 
No, he confirms they are planning for it. Metrolinx has already stated that the GO platform at Mount Dennis station will be designed in such a way, that a UPX platform can be added. That's planning for it ... it doesn't mean it will be built.

Once again, nfitz, you are absolutely right....but it goes a long way from the article in spacing which went a long way to leading the reader to think that plans for a stop at Mt Dennis had been scrapped.
 
Given that the UPX is opening next year, and Eglinton Crosstown doesn't open for another 5 after that, "planning" is the correct phase for it to be in.
2020? Rumour has it, 2022 is more likely.

And yes, the planning phase IS the correct phase. Who knows where we will be at after the 2018 provincial election, in terms of service on this line!
 

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