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Toronto Tourism

How long can we keep blaming SARS? Good god, with a colective attention span of about 5 minutes I highly doubt Americans even remember what SARS was, never mind that it happened in Toronto. Border issues and confusing passport requirements, insecurity abroad, the rising loonie, and a sluggish economy south of the border are what is keeping the yanks away, and as far as I understand it Americans are also staying away from overseas travel.

If you're going to do an article and cite things that have caused a downward trend in recent years, it doesn't make much sense to ignore perhaps the #1 cause does it?

Obviously, they didn't mention it because it didn't suit the article's agenda.
 
Ahh...another article on "declining" tourism and tired attractions that manages to completely ignore reality. Only in a city with a press as self-hating as Toronto's could a story that reveals, several grafs in, that overall tourist visits are actually up be headlined, "Where have all the tourists gone?"

And new attractions? Has that guy looked around lately? A complete revamp of the waterfront....yeah, hmmm, I guess that would be a good idea....maybe someone should look into that.

I mean, really, do these people leave their homes or read the newspaper? And do reporters, when met with this rank uninformed-ness, try to ask questions that point out the flood of new or revamped attractions and massive waterfront renewal?

The ability of the TO press, and the people it chooses to quote, to ignore reality on local issues is astounding. Tourist numbers up, but Americans down? Tourism is in decline! A clearly-not-what-it-might-seem fight that results in a death on a stretch of Queen West that is among the most vibrant areas in the country? Queen Street is in decline! Some people on St Clair or Spadina not happy about streetcar ROWs? Both are in decline!

But yeah, I agree, we need a Universal Studios. That will bring in millions of tourists, and all the city needs to solve its budget problems is a casino. Clearly.


I wonder if the writer is aware of Filmport. No Universal Studios, but it should attract tourists.

I find that many Torontonians are far too easy to be down on the city. People need to get more excited about what Toronto has to offer and express that to potential tourists.
 
I wonder if the writer is aware of Filmport. No Universal Studios, but it should attract tourists.

I find that many Torontonians are far too easy to be down on the city. People need to get more excited about what Toronto has to offer and express that to potential tourists.

I think you're right, syn, though I would identify the problem more with journalists than with your average citizen. I work in the media, and know that bad news sells, but the obsession of the local press in Toronto with doom-and-gloom is really excessive, and I can't explain it. Let's take that National Post story as an example. Here are your facts, grossly simplified.

1. Visits by Americans to Toronto are down significantly, in a financial context that discourages them from visiting as well as the passport/foreign travel thing.

2. Visits by people from much further afield are way up, which is a consistent trend.

3. Overall visits are, as a result, up.

As a dutiful member of the metro desk at a large Toronto paper, do you

a) write a story on how while short drive-in visits from the depressed communities of the American rust belt are down visits from people overseas--who since they are willing to go far have a wide range of destinations to choose from--are up, suggesting that Toronto's global profile is growing significantly

or

b) write a story claiming that the tourist industry is on the verge of collapse, and quote some people who are obviously completely ignorant of events in their city to back up your thesis

(by the by, visitors from overseas stay longer and therefore spend more money).

I would argue that in most cities of Toronto's size and situation (big and booming) the answer would be the second option. But in TO it's the first, or its equivalent, every time. I mean, that's really, really weird.

I love Toronto, but I am really starting to lose patience with the self-hating press. Think of what Jerry Seinfeld would call the Martian test: if creatures from another planet with no knowledge of Toronto were to evaluate it from afar based on the coverage in its own media outlets--ostensibly an authoritative source, what would they conclude? Probably that it was economically depressed, crime-ridden, boring, ugly, covered in trash, perpetually 'in decline,' either as a whole or in various component parts, utterly devoid of tourists, hopelessly provincial, and on and on and on as goes the daily drumbeat from the various papers, though The Globe is generally better than the others on this file.

I'm not suggesting the city doesn't have serious problems, problems which the press can and should identify and comment on. But when story after story (and, of course, column after column) is spun to present the worst possible situation, often with blatant disregard for actual facts, you have to wonder what's going on and why.
 
Several items in today's papers discuss the lineup for this years TIFF; say how successful the TSO's online ticket sales for the 07/08 season are; give several stage reviews; give reviews of foreign singers and orchestras currently performing here; give listings of live concerts, entertainments and events happening in the next week; art gallery listings; there's an item about the Distillery district; and a comics festival; an item about places open in the wee hours; the cultural implications of having a new Heritage minister are outlined ... and Elvis is still seriously dead!
 
I love Toronto, but I am really starting to lose patience with the self-hating press.

Well I don't thinkToronto is very different from other cities in this regards. As you say, it's just the media. Perhaps we're hyper-sensitive to it because of our ingrained historic inferiority complex.
 
I find that many Torontonians are far too easy to be down on the city. People need to get more excited about what Toronto has to offer and express that to potential tourists.
One of the reasons why I find Urban Toronto to be a breath of fresh air. Most of us are bullish about our city and aren't afraid to say so!
 
Most of us are bullish about our city and aren't afraid to say so!

Which is a key reason for griping and bitching when aspects of the city are allowed to decay so as to be depressing. The backward steps are painfully unnatural.

One thing that I always find exciting about Toronto is all the potential. For all the large buildings and other such evidence, I still feel like I live in a young city that is still figuring out what it wants to be when it grows up. I feel as if the city still has its future in front of it. It's still in a state of becoming.
 
As I said it before and I will say it again...and I know I am right...

If the ad campagins only focus on US, they are designated to FAIL! How often do you think people from NYC and Buffalo coming here? Basically, it's like how often can you keep going to Niagara Falls?

The marketing seems to neglect everyone else in the world and only focus on the US, esp north-east section. To me, that's short-sighted, lack of vision and simply lack of effort. But why am I complaining...it's been like that for the last 20-yrs...why change, right? :rolleyes:
 
How often do you think people from NYC and Buffalo coming here? Basically, it's like how often can you keep going to Niagara Falls?

Why are you assuming that only the same people are returning? Did you forget that not everyone in the state of New York or the eastern United States has been to Toronto? Did you forget that the population changes over time? Did you forget that there is such a thing as return visitors?


But why am I complaining...it's been like that for the last 20-yrs...why change, right?

You must be a difficult person to hang out with.
 
As I said it before and I will say it again...and I know I am right...

If the ad campagins only focus on US, they are designated to FAIL! How often do you think people from NYC and Buffalo coming here? Basically, it's like how often can you keep going to Niagara Falls?

The marketing seems to neglect everyone else in the world and only focus on the US, esp north-east section. To me, that's short-sighted, lack of vision and simply lack of effort. But why am I complaining...it's been like that for the last 20-yrs...why change, right? :rolleyes:

As a sometimes-resident of the Niagara area, let me say that Toronto has more, and more interesting things to do than NF. After the initial impression the actual falls make (and they are spectacular), the city itself is not very interesting. The botanical gardens are worth a visit. Uhh... the butterfly conservatory? Ripley's? Some mediocre restaurants on Lundy's Lane?
 
As a sometimes-resident of the Niagara area, let me say that Toronto has more, and more interesting things to do than NF. After the initial impression the actual falls make (and they are spectacular), the city itself is not very interesting. The botanical gardens are worth a visit. Uhh... the butterfly conservatory? Ripley's? Some mediocre restaurants on Lundy's Lane?

It always amazes me that people will travel from T.O. to Niagara, and not get off the QEW until the falls, when there is so much to explore throughout the region. If you get away from the tacky and busy main street there is some extraordinary architecture in NOTL, beautiful gardens, parks and churches. All you have to do is walk! Also, there are some beauties in Queenston, i.e. Willowbank Manor, Glencairn, the Queenston Heights monument and Park (Brock-on-a-stick). The Niagara Parkway is spectacular from NOTL through the Falls and Chipewa, by the almost palatial power plants, right to Fort Erie with its old ramparts. In fact, there are historic sites and museums everywhere. The area is far more than just the falls and tacky wax museums, and you can top it all off with a glass of wine at a vinyard.
 
It always amazes me that people will travel from T.O. to Niagara, and not get off the QEW until the falls, when there is so much to explore throughout the region. If you get away from the tacky and busy main street there is some extraordinary architecture in NOTL, beautiful gardens, parks and churches. All you have to do is walk! Also, there are some beauties in Queenston, i.e. Willowbank Manor, Glencairn, the Queenston Heights monument and Park (Brock-on-a-stick). The Niagara Parkway is spectacular from NOTL through the Falls and Chipewa, by the almost palatial power plants, right to Fort Erie with its old ramparts. In fact, there are historic sites and museums everywhere. The area is far more than just the falls and tacky wax museums, and you can top it all off with a glass of wine at a vinyard.
I agree 100%. I always love my family drives to the Niagara area. I can spend all day in Niagara-on-the-Lake, drop by Joseph's Winery (BTW, one of the few independant wineries in the area) for a tour and purchase, spend hours at Fort George and the surrounding fortifications and batteries and then off to my wife's cousins in St. Catherines for a day by the pool.
 

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