zang
Senior Member
Curious. Do you by any chance side-hustle as a Russian MilBlogger?This is the type of comment that gets upvoted by you folks.
Stick to talking about how the curtain wall looks.
Curious. Do you by any chance side-hustle as a Russian MilBlogger?This is the type of comment that gets upvoted by you folks.
Stick to talking about how the curtain wall looks.
Yet with all of that combined brilliance the dominant narrative in this thread is what...that Sam is a great guy trying to build an iconic building for Toronto?This bit for a start:
I will be very specific here without naming any names.
This forum has, that I know of, more than one member of various GTA Planning Departments, Planners (plural) from at least 2 of the City's larger firms that do planning on behalf of developers, several professional lobbyists who work in the industry, at least 3 people who work in architecture offices, 2 more in engineering offices, a few active members of the trades, some brokers and several staff, owners and CEOs of developers in the Toronto area, and several more who don't fit a neat industry job title, but who have been around the industry for years and know many of the players (ahem)......
Doubtless, since I don't know everyone's real name or job title here, there are many more knowledgeable people here than I am even aware of......
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Without a doubt UT also has members with less industry knowledge and some who might even be a tad boosterish...........but across the board that assertion of UT members is simply incorrect.
At every step, there's been a doomsayer bleating out that "this is it! It's done now. Don't expect any further construction."Check the thread history. Every time I or somebody else posted the G&M articles outlining this fraud or discussed it any way...we were told to shut up. The mods said it wasn't allowed to be discussed here.
So I get what you're saying and I agree. It's just not what happened in this thread at all.
The One | 308.6m | 85s | Tridel | Foster + Partners
Benito must be a clairvoyant for he picked the best time to go on vacay just before another round of FruitCo drama broke out :p Kinda irrelevant actually. As he'll still likely have a progressing building to take pics of from his perch regardless of any such drama. #TheShowMustGoOnurbantoronto.ca
Simple ignorance, indeed.Check the thread history. Every time I or somebody else posted the G&M articles outlining this fraud or discussed it any way...we were told to shut up. The mods said it wasn't allowed to be discussed here.
So I get what you're saying and I agree. It's just not what happened in this thread at all.
The One | 308.6m | 85s | Tridel | Foster + Partners
Benito must be a clairvoyant for he picked the best time to go on vacay just before another round of FruitCo drama broke out :p Kinda irrelevant actually. As he'll still likely have a progressing building to take pics of from his perch regardless of any such drama. #TheShowMustGoOnurbantoronto.ca
the dominant narrative in this thread is what...that Sam is a great guy trying to build an iconic building for Toronto?
I will admit, this reply does seem like “stop talking about business complications, we just want to see this thing get built”. But it’s really just this one reply.This really isn't the thread for this. The Admin has asked us to stop talking about it here. Therefore, you should consider starting own thread about this (over in Real Estate?). So there's lots to understand about that...
...so I'm not here to stop your crusade against corruption at all levels over this. I'm just saying take it somewhere where it's more appropriate and relevant. Most of us are just here to see this building get built. Thnkx!
Yet with all of that combined brilliance the dominant narrative in this thread is what...that Sam is a great guy trying to build an iconic building for Toronto?
It's rose coloured glasses because of love of architecture or simply ignorance.
Is there actually a rule on UT that discussion of financing for a project (or business failure, or corruption, or whatever) has to go in a Real Estate thread, not a Construction thread, even once construction has begun?
Is there actually a rule on UT that discussion of financing for a project (or business failure, or corruption, or whatever) has to go in a Real Estate thread, not a Construction thread, even once construction has begun?
I think many UTers would like to see it built but lots of us have doubts that will happen with the current developers. I guess we will see.Well, I for one would LOVE to see this get built ... regardless of what is happening behind the scenes.
Not to mention, I haven't gotten the idea that any of the parties involved have been acting in perfect faith based on everything I've read. So in the end @LoMein , why is it bad if there are a few nerds like me on the forums that really just want to see a cool building constructed, in what is a prominent location?
And I stand by that position. As it's not telling anyone to shut up about it or not talk about, as LoMein-san is implying for that Fox News "Ah-ha!" moment. Rather to take the conversation to the more appropriate Real Estate venue...as this is bordering of the off-topic, unless this news will cause this project to turn into The Stump 2.0 tonight.I will admit, this reply does seem like “stop talking about business complications, we just want to see this thing get built”. But it’s really just this one reply.
Is there actually a rule on UT that discussion of financing for a project (or business failure, or corruption, or whatever) has to go in a Real Estate thread, not a Construction thread, even once construction has begun?
To be clear, I stated...My issue with all the discussion here is that there are two very vocal camps when it comes to this building. One is, it's doomed, it'll never get built, it's a disaster, construction is stopping any day now. The other is, nothing to see here, move along, this is all a big nothingburger.
...which implies this could go either way. And if it is, then yes, it is indeed something we should be concerned about. And assuming that was directed at me.Meanwhile, I'll patiently wait from the photographic documentation by UT's finest volunteers to see if there is something to this or a nothing burger...
I wasn't specifically calling you out, nor did I realise that you even directly used nothingburger in one of your comments. So apologies if it felt as though I was directly going at you, because that simply wasn't the case or intention. I was just using words I felt summarized the general sentiments on the forum.To be clear, I stated...
...which implies this could go either way. And if it is, then yes, it is indeed something we should be concerned about. And assuming that was directed at me.
(Note: Emphasis in both quotes are mine.)