Sandpit
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York Mills is the 401's equivalent of Richmond Hill Centre, while Yorkdale is the equivalent of Highway 407 Station. You need both.
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York Mills is the 401's equivalent of Richmond Hill Centre, while Yorkdale is the equivalent of Highway 407 Station. You need both.
innsertnamehere
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Vancouver's system is a subway in a way, but it is generally a suburban express system. Trips within the city are still generally by bus, bike, or car. The Canada line provides a bit of urbanlike service, but not much. The Canada line is also extremely low capacity, the trains are tiny. I know when I visited in May transit for inner city trips seemed extremely subpar compared to Toronto.
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Streety McCarface
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You got them all right except for Bessarion; that one was built for future demand (Concord Park Place). CPP hasn't really been built close enough to Bessarion yet to make the station extremely useful. Now that they're starting to build buildings west of the Canadian Tire, ridership should increase significantly.
The Canada line is worse than an LRT in terms of capacity, and the Toronto Subway lines have some of the highest train capacity in the world per car.
Northern Light
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Report out on crowding on line 1 for the Jan 18 TTC mtg.
http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Com...ports/6_Managing_Crowding_on_Line_1_Yonge.pdf
Of note is the hope that the TYSSE would reduce crowding on the Yonge side by 5%. No measurements available as to whether this has been achieved. (obviously its early)
The oft-stated hopes for ATC are also noted; w/the hope of cutting more than 20s btw trains by late 2019. Assuming senior management reads the same Steve Munro blog I do, I await a new terminal management plan to make this work.
For the future there is a re-do of Yonge-Bloor but no timeline.
http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Com...ports/6_Managing_Crowding_on_Line_1_Yonge.pdf
Of note is the hope that the TYSSE would reduce crowding on the Yonge side by 5%. No measurements available as to whether this has been achieved. (obviously its early)
The oft-stated hopes for ATC are also noted; w/the hope of cutting more than 20s btw trains by late 2019. Assuming senior management reads the same Steve Munro blog I do, I await a new terminal management plan to make this work.
For the future there is a re-do of Yonge-Bloor but no timeline.
Sandpit
Active Member
The 5% figure can probably be increased with specific measures to divert ridership to the TYSSE from Yonge (e.g. free parking at TYSSE stations, express buses from Richmond Hill Centre to Highway 407 Station, YRT/TTC fare integration at VMC etc.)
In fact, the "express buses" I mentioned already exist: it's called GO Route 40. Unfortunately it only runs every 30 minutes even during rush hour and requires a GO fare...
steveintoronto
Superstar
Where to start on this one? A lot, like other advanced cities. RER through the core in tunnel would be an excellent place to start. And not just terminated, but through-running, even if a terminal (say University and Queen) was an interim destination until further extended west. NYC, London, Paris, Berlin, Sydney, Melbourne, etc, etc have this. Subways per-se are now being eclipsed with far more ambitious and efficient ways to move people from the core of cities to the outlying regions without having to change the mode of transport to do it. Subways are incredibly expensive to build. Extensions of present lines are being done, as the investment is already sunk, but new lines are now preferably RER in tunnel running through to surface lines already extant.
I agree, and it will be the province. They've already virtually taken over the DRL south in terms of overseeing the planning, and assumed completely the northern leg. And with the Feds, funding it all. RER emphasis will be reflected in the final plan. What hasn't been mentioned is the possibility/probability of P3 financing to do it far more ambitiously and sooner.
Yikes. Even if that's due to frozen drain pipes, it's still a massive design flaw. Any further info on that appreciated.
Even for it's limitations in length of trains and capacity (at least one line being addressed for this now) it's vastly cheaper, faster and perhaps more apt for the geology than subways in Van. It's not that Van is better than Toronto so much as Toronto is a laggard compared to almost any world class city. And most aren't building subways per-se anymore. Certainly not for the distances Toronto proposes.
Here's a great analysis from a Japanese rail journal on how Paris learned from Tokyo. London, Sydney and others have learned from Paris in turn, as are many leading world cities. Toronto is learning from...?
http://www.ejrcf.or.jp/jrtr/jrtr23/F36_Sato.html
yrt+viva=1system
Senior Member
Yesterday I saw a bunch of Viva buses with "Subway Shuttle" displayed on the destination sign turning out of VMC. It seems to be training for drivers. Probably doesn't mean too much but thought I'd share.
On a different note, having had to get off at Finch West allowed me to have a second look at that station. The thing that stuck out to me was how poorly finished the whole station was. Compared to say the 407 station, this was outright sloppy. The caulking job around Finch West was just pitiful.
On a different note, having had to get off at Finch West allowed me to have a second look at that station. The thing that stuck out to me was how poorly finished the whole station was. Compared to say the 407 station, this was outright sloppy. The caulking job around Finch West was just pitiful.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Do we really need another type of Rolling stock in the TTC? We saw how ICTS maintenance was hellish because cars had to be shipped to Greenwood, and having a broader range of parts makes no sense for rolling stock because each rail company's parts are unique. Also, the Canada line is half Bridge (not viaduct) and Subway, and it's maintenance costs are astronomical because it's operated under a P3. I should also note that Toronto is like 4-5* that of Vancouver (greater Vancouver is 1/3 the size). The extra capacity on new lines may not be needed now, but it will be eventually after the extension is built.
Leo_Chan
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This is really misleading of YRT. At the press conference with Del Duca at the VMC Vivastation, there was a question about if the Vivastation will be completed by the subway opening. The person responded by "yes" and that it would be "fully operational". I don't think elevators, escalators, roof, platform, and heated shelters being under construction is "fully operational".
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nfitz
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It seems somewhat redundant with Highway 407 station being much more reliable to access. I'd think that ultimately, they'd want to avoid the entire 401 corridor east of 427 and west of 404.
Leo_Chan
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Q: "I've looked around and it doesn't look like it'll be ready by December 17th, will it be ready? Fully operational?"
A: "It will indeed."
Q: "Fully operational, everything will be finished?"
A: "It will be done."
Um what are these lies?
A: "It will indeed."
Q: "Fully operational, everything will be finished?"
A: "It will be done."
Um what are these lies?
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muller877
Senior Member
Simple reason. 36 bus has over 40,000 riders per day. A large majority of them will no longer be on the Yonge line.
Megaton327
Senior Member
Agreed on most points but the heated shelters were, in fact, operational on opening day, December 17th. I was in one of them. At least the one on the eastbound platform was working, can't speak to the one on the westbound platform. They are very weak compared to the GO ones, somebody asked me if there's any way to turn them on, and was surprised when I said they were on. Not just at VMC though, the one at Creditstone was almost the exact same--VMC is a bit worse because of the motion activated sliding doors, people standing near the door inside and outside the shelter kept opening the door venting all of the heat out to the point it was barely any warmer than outside.
salsa
Senior Member
I'm looking at that "below grade" transitway station, and it makes me wonder what was the purpose of constructing a massively overbuilt bus terminal if a bunch of the buses are not actually gonna use it when the transitway is built?
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
No point.