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Darkstar416 said:
Cash stuck in transit
Ottawa has announced how much they'll commit -- but that money remains inaccessible because of an ongoing impasse with Queen's Park over infrastructure funding.

A war of words appeared to be brewing over the issue yesterday.

Catherine Loubier, spokesman for federal Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon, blamed a "partisan" McGuinty government for not yet signing on to the Building Canada Framework Agreement, which ties in most of the subway funding with $8 billion for other infrastructure projects for Ontario.
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What are the politics here? What is the Building Canada Framework Agreement and why hasn't Ontario signed it?
 
Update from Spadina Subway Extension website:

FEBRUARY 2008 UPDATE

Recent Project Activities

The Project Team has achieved a number of important milestones to initiate the Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension project, including the following:

An Executive Task Force (ETF) to guide the project has been established and the terms of reference for the ETF have been approved.
The ETF has approved a budget for the project for the 2008 calendar year of $41 million. This will allow the project to initiate engineering and design activities, acquire critical properties, staff the project, establish a project office, commence geotechnical investigations and initiate an early construction contract.
A Request for Proposals for a Project Management Consultant and Project Controls Consultant has been issued.
Based on the above, the project is expected to commence formal project activities in Spring 2008.

Federal Environmental Assessment (EA)

A Canadian Environmental Assessment Act (CEAA) Screening Report was submitted to the Federal Government in early November 2007. Federal comments were received in early January 2008, and a revised Screening Report was submitted in late January 2008. Federal EA approval is required prior to the award of a construction contract.

Early Construction Contract

A contract to relocate a storm sewer on Steeles Avenue that conflicts with the future Steeles West Station was tendered in early January and is expected to be awarded by the Commission on February 27, 2008. This would satisfy the Provincial Trust requirement for a construction start within one year of EA approval (March 23, 2008).

Project Office

The office for the project team will be located at 5160 Yonge Street.
Project staff will begin to move into the new space in Spring 2008.

Steeles West Station

Conceptual design of Steeles West Station has commenced and a preliminary geotechnical investigation for the station has been completed. This conceptual design was advanced in order to confirm the operational configuration of this complex station which will be used to short turn subway service until full service is necessary to the Vaughan Corporate Centre.

Project Funding/Agreements

A formal application was made to the Federal Government for Federal funding for the TYSSE project under the Building Canada Fund (BCF) in early January 2008. The BCF application includes a business case for the project and a preliminary analysis of the opportunity for public/private partnerships to satisfy Federal guidelines in this area.

A Contribution Agreement with the Federal government for the TYSSE project is currently being negotiated.

Property Acquisition

Requests for proposals have been received for the retention of various consultants to assist in the acquisition of property for the TYSSE project. Approval of the procurement of the above consultants is anticipated in early 2008.

Preliminary discussions with selected property owners have been initiated.

Updated Ridership Forecasts

Updated ridership forecasts for the whole project (Downsview to Vaughan Corporate Centre) have been developed and these forecasts, along with updated revenue forecasts, will be submitted to the Commission in Spring 2008.

Transit Connections

Click here to see details of the transit connections that are planned for each station including TTC, York and GO bus connections, GO rail connections (at Sheppard West Station) and passenger pick up and drop off facilities.

Busway to York University

Construction of the Busway to York University is scheduled to commence in Spring 2008. Click here for a map of the Busway project . Upon completion of the TYSSE project, the portion of the Busway east of Keele Street will be used to feed buses to and from Finch West Station. Click here for details on bus services using the Busway with the subway in operation.
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It's still fustrating that York seems bound and determined to get all buses off their campus. The reason why there's so many buses there is because of the university, riders aren't going to take too kindly to being forced onto the subway for either a pointless one-stop trip or for an extra fare.

If there's anywhere that calls for a Don Mills/York Mills/St. Clair West style underground bus terminal, it's the York University station.
 
The subway is not coming tomorrow. There will be still a few years of students who will never ride the extension for their entire time they are at York.

Also, as mentioned in the update, the busway will still be used after the subway opens as part of regular service. It will also be a great backup when there are service disruptions.
 
Will they close York University GO station when the Sheppard West GO station comes online?
 
Jonny5 said:
Also, as mentioned in the update, the busway will still be used after the subway opens as part of regular service. It will also be a great backup when there are service disruptions.
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It could be very useful for service disruptions, but I doubt it would be used much, because it would skip Keele-Finch and Sheppard West stations.

It would mostly be for deadheading buses to and from Wilson Garage.

Deadheadway?
 
CDL.TO said:
riders aren't going to take too kindly to being forced onto the subway for either a pointless one-stop trip or for an extra fare.
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This is assuming that by the time the subway opens in 2015, transit is still being archaically run by 10 different companies with 10 different fare systems.... who am i kidding, of course it will ;)
 
CDL.TO said:
It's still fustrating that York seems bound and determined to get all buses off their campus. The reason why there's so many buses there is because of the university, riders aren't going to take too kindly to being forced onto the subway for either a pointless one-stop trip or for an extra fare.

If there's anywhere that calls for a Don Mills/York Mills/St. Clair West style underground bus terminal, it's the York University station.
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I don't foresee 106 York University ever being removed as it serves the entire periphery of the campus. Other routes like the 196 Rocket and VIVA Orange south of Steeles will however become redundant. Also anticipate the loss of 36 Finch West, 60 Steeles West and 41 Keele into the campus as Finch West/Steeles West nullifies that purpose. That only leaves 3 York U-Thornhill as a major feeder into the campus.

The subway is not coming tomorrow. There will be still a few years of students who will never ride the extension for their entire time they are at York.
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It sounds wasteful though. Wasn't the 20 mins or less routing via Dufferin-Finch-Keele with only one express stop at Finch/Dufferin suffisive enough?

Will they close York University GO station when the Sheppard West GO station comes online?
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I'd think so since it'd totally become redundant and is in no way within walking distance of the campus. Details below:

YORK UNIVERSITY IN THE GTA FACTS
http://ogov.newswire.ca/ontario/GPOE/2002/09/06/c8813.html?lmatch=&lang=_e.html

Within two years, GO expects to carry about 400 York University
train riders a day. (That's all :eek:?!!)

THE YORK UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY (2002-2003 estimates)
43,000 students and 7,000 faculty and staff (over 85% with GTA home
addresses), and 170,000 alumni

TRANSPORTATION FACTS (2001-2002 academic year)
33,000 car trips to campus on average peak period days
11,000 parking spaces
680 bus trips per day (575 TTC, 41 York Region, 64 GO-Transit)
Estimated modal split (cars versus transit): Toronto(equal sign)50:50;
905(equal sign)90:10

ALSO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_University_(GO_Station)

The York University GO Station officially opened on September 6, 2002, though it had been put into service earlier. It may be replaced or supplemented in future by a new station attached to the proposed Sheppard West TTC station, on the Spadina line extension currently undergoing environmental assessment.
 
The 196 rocket is already pretty much irrelevant. Barely ever got any passengers although I'd admit I was one of the very few (most get off at Downsview, few actually rode it to Shepperd) and only for the novelty of it. Was sometimes faster, other times slower depending on traffic (as compared to taking the 60 to Finch station and taking the subway to Shepperd).

However, unless they connect Finch to some west side station, it doesn't eliminate the heavily used 60 (if it's still called that) route which I think is a problem as well.

Both Downsview > York and Finch > York need to be eliminated IMO. The lines to both those buses as I remember them, were equally as long.

That being said, I hope something(s) major gets built around there. Running a line to York in the summer seems like overkill.
 
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