Toronto Rise Condos | 76.5m | 23s | Reserve Properties | Graziani + Corazza

ThomasJ said:
btw, funny how first this was by RAW...then Wallman...and now Graziani!!
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So much for urbandreamer being called a real estate savant by Urbanation (in another thread). I would call him that other kind of savant for a joke, but it would get me banned, and it's too mean anyway, even though, like I said, that would be a good one-liner.

Anyway, this may be the best looking building that G and C have designed. That "Mondrian-inspired" grid is pretty cool. If it's realized correctly this could be one of the most eye-catching designs in the city. The views from here to the core will be amazing, and it's so close to St. Clair West station… I'm kind of talking myself into buying a condo here.

I'm feeling a bit out-of-sorts. I'm going to go sharpen my claws and pop up in some other thread where I can be snarky and aloof.
 
I cannot endorse a G+C-designed project, even though it may be their best effort. It's always fun to guess the architect, because after all I'm a renderporn critic not a paid researcher.

I probably am the other kind of savant you have in mind, but hey, that makes me a genius, right?
 
WiddleBittyKitty said:
So much for urbandreamer being called a real estate savant by Urbanation (in another thread). I would call him that other kind of savant for a joke, but it would get me banned, and it's too mean anyway, even though, like I said, that would be a good one-liner.

Anyway, this may be the best looking building that G and C have designed. That "Mondrian-inspired" grid is pretty cool. If it's realized correctly this could be one of the most eye-catching designs in the city. The views from here to the core will be amazing, and it's so close to St. Clair West station… I'm kind of talking myself into buying a condo here.

I'm feeling a bit out-of-sorts. I'm going to go sharpen my claws and pop up in some other thread where I can be snarky and aloof.
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"sharpen my claws" LOL....love it!
 
WiddleBittyKitty said:
So much for urbandreamer being called a real estate savant by Urbanation (in another thread). I would call him that other kind of savant for a joke, but it would get me banned, and it's too mean anyway, even though, like I said, that would be a good one-liner.

Anyway, this may be the best looking building that G and C have designed. That "Mondrian-inspired" grid is pretty cool. If it's realized correctly this could be one of the most eye-catching designs in the city. The views from here to the core will be amazing, and it's so close to St. Clair West station… I'm kind of talking myself into buying a condo here.

I'm feeling a bit out-of-sorts. I'm going to go sharpen my claws and pop up in some other thread where I can be snarky and aloof.
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Even if it is the 'best G+C-designed building,' that's hardly indicative of an attractive project. Sure, they've got the massing right, with the taller and more 'iconic' chimney rising from the corner but beyond that it's got all the same rushed, poor-quality detailing we've come to know and expect from this firm. The detailed shots in the dataBase entry show some of this better so go have a look at them.

Notice especially the 'crown of spandrel' adorning the top of the tower, the low quality of the panels themselves (same supplier as Nautilus and other crappy G+C productions it seems) and the clumsy way the whole thing comes crashing down to the street. The podium bears no relation to the design language established by the grid on the tower and its brick detailing is really just something to lean on (it is also topped by a similar 'crown of spandrel'). The Sephora-inspired ground-level again tries to say something 'different' but also just ends up getting its words muddled. I'd give the overall form an 8/10 and the detailing a 4/10 if pressed for numbers.

In some ways I want to say that it's better than what's diagonally across the street, but I'm not even sure of that. At least E.I. Richmond took the time to get the precast detailing on their building to emphasize the verticality of the tower where G+C's mixed bag seems to want to go up and out at the same time.


But again, the real mistake here was not hiring aA at the start.
 
This will really add some height east of Bathurst. I suppose that going much further east here is pretty limited, as one runs into the park/ravine, but the apartment building right next door would seem a likely redevelopment candidate once this building is in place.
 
Solaris said:
That about summarizes all your positions on every project, I have nothing else to add ... thank you very much
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It's perfectly hilarious that you would edit down Project End's criticisms to just his summary (I assume it's "he"), and dismiss his point-by-point argument as if it weren't there.

I am still wowed by how right G and C have gotten the chimney-element as ProjEnd calls it, but maybe I am not critical to quite the same degree as he is regarding the rest of the elements. That does not mean that I do not appreciate his trained eye for detail and his ability to break down a project. Those who dismiss aA (and its fans) never seem to provide a detailed analysis of why, but tend to level general, and rather empty, put-downs.
 
I'm interested in the process that developers must go through with the city to get approval for their building design. As far as I know, Reserve's design has not been approved or even presented to the Community Committee that must approve it and aren't on the agenda for the next meeting. Yet they are slated to open their sales office in mid-November. Can anybody tell me how that works? Can they sell units in a building they don't have approval to build?
 
stellab said:
I'm interested in the process that developers must go through with the city to get approval for their building design. As far as I know, Reserve's design has not been approved or even presented to the Community Committee that must approve it and aren't on the agenda for the next meeting. Yet they are slated to open their sales office in mid-November. Can anybody tell me how that works? Can they sell units in a building they don't have approval to build?
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the developer assumes the risk in this scenario. it happened to tas on giraffe i believe where they sold a bunch of units prior to being approved and then had to pull the plug after they were squashed.

usually the developer will only sell a modest amount of units in circumstances such as these though. like for this one, reserve wants 25 storeys but knows that it can get 15-20 for sure (just assuming) so it will sell 60-80% and then press pause on their sales programme until they are approved some time next year.
 
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