Juan_Lennon416
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You must be the guy on the bike who thinks that he is the only one on the trail
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You must be the guy on the bike who thinks that he is the only one on the trail
LNahid2000
Senior Member
I don't see the issue. It doesn't look very busy where he's riding.Look at the ass at 1:56 of the video. People can't ride that fast on this part of the trail
W. K. Lis
Superstar
From the Driver's Handbook, this is the only legal "transit" signal in Ontario.
A sample of what Ontario, or Toronto, CANNOT use.
A sample of what Ontario, or Toronto, CANNOT use.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
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Megaton327
Senior Member
Today I saw a car parked on the MGT between York and Bay by the service driveway. Incredible.
smallspy
Senior Member
Two, actually. And both sporting Quebec plates.
To add insult to injury, they were immediately in front of a "No Stopping" sign.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
hawc
Senior Member
Amazing. Towed I hope.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Tuscani01
Senior Member
And bikes aren't on Queens Quay. They are on the Martin Goodman Trail, which has a speed limit of 20 km/h.
CodeMonkey
Active Member
From the Driver's Handbook, this is the only legal "transit" signal in Ontario.
A sample of what Ontario, or Toronto, CANNOT use.
I don't know what the sample looks like you can't use, since the image link is broken, but the Ontario Transit Signal as defined in the Drivers' Handbook I can understand why people could get that confused. I would suggest bus/streetcars should have own transit signal in a different colour that isn't school bus yellow. But I have a feeling it was designed this way as a cost cutting feature and isn't going to change anytime soon.
There are separate transit signals on QQ -- they don't look the one pictured above at all.
CodeMonkey
Active Member
The small two-black ones. I've seen them, but now I think of it, are they can the city use them if the province doesn't define them? Anyways, I think its going to take awhile before people get use to the new configuration.
They've been using those ones for years on QQ, it's not new, so I guess they're not worried about the driver's handbook There's also a separate transit signal at Lake Shore & Bathurst. I expect there are some anywhere there are streetcar ROWs.
There's also a separate transit signal at Lake Shore & Bathurst. I expect there are some anywhere there are streetcar ROWs.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
They've been using those ones for years on QQ, it's not new, so I guess they're not worried about the driver's handbook
St. Clair and Spadina have them as well
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Queens Quay is lovely but potentially lethal: Keenan
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...-is-lovely-but-potentially-lethal-keenan.html
By: Edward Keenan Columnist, Published on Mon Jun 29 2015
The rebuilt Queens Quay Blvd., re-opened in June after extensive reconstruction, is a new kind of street in Toronto. Paved partly in coloured stone, featuring wide walks, a separated bike track and a streetcar right-of-way, it’s interesting and beautiful, as some of my colleagues have noted. Shawn Micallef even wondered in these pages, “Are we allowed to have something this nice?”
Unfortunately, right now, it seems to me it’s also kind of a death trap. People on it are constantly playing a dangerous game of “whose lane is it anyway?”
Out observing the road on Monday, I quickly became aware that a solid majority of people have no idea how to drive on it. It was almost comical to hum “Yakety Sax” in my head: drivers stopped suddenly, staring head-on into the eyes of other drivers; performed panicked, undercarriage-scraping, Dukes of Hazzard-style jumps off the streetcar right-of-way; did confused three-point turns through intersections and across bicycle and streetcar lanes in an effort to find their proper lane.
Funny as it was to watch for a bit, it was also somewhat terrifying. If changes aren’t made, people are likely to die.
At Lower Spadina, car after car quickly and confidently turns left eastbound into the streetcar right-of-way before swerving back dramatically back toward the proper lane. There, they sometimes meet face-to-face with drivers going in the other direction — some of whom have turned wide out of a nearby driveway, others swerving out into oncoming traffic to go around taxis stopped for long periods blocking the only westbound lane.
At York St., things get even more confusing. There are two eastbound car lanes, one on each side of the streetcar tracks. The south one, meant to provide local access to buildings on that side, is paved in stone, and many car drivers correctly entering it suddenly think they are in the bike lane. Many stop in confusion, blocking lineups of cars following behind them in the intersection. I saw half a dozen cars reverse into the intersection and into the actual bike and pedestrian paths to turn around. Cyclists approaching from the east meanwhile, also tend to think it’s part of the bike lane, and pedal aggressively into oncoming car traffic. There are no markings or signs indicating what kind of vehicle should be in the lane or which direction vehicles in it should be travelling.
North of the streetcar tracks at York, there’s one car lane in each direction paved in traditional blacktop. Twice in 20 minutes I saw cars come face to face, their drivers each making “you’re in the wrong lane” gestures at each other. Despite the solid yellow line in the middle of the road, drivers westbound seem to feel intuitively that the eastbound lane is a passing or left-turn lane meant for them. Many drivers turning onto the street eastbound have the same intuition and wind up in the streetcar lane. Seeing the streetcar tunnel ahead, they then swerve off the elevated platform, grinding and crunching their way down onto the road.
Waterfront Toronto spokesperson Andrew Hilton has told the Star that the street has the required signs and markings to conform to Ministry of Transportation guidelines.
Those markings are not getting the job done.
You could blame drivers for not paying close attention, but most of those I saw were attentively (and usually slowly) trying — and failing — to figure out where they were supposed to be. No matter whose fault it is, a huge percentage of people on the road are baffled. Understandably so.
This is a new kind of street. It takes intuitive signals about how streets work, patterns people have spent a lifetime learning, and up-ends them. That can be a good thing, but there have to be some instructions.
Lights marked with a red “X” hanging over a lane, the kind that allow drivers to understand the weirdo reversible lane on Jarvis, might work here. Maybe some paint on the streetcar right-of-way to indicate it’s something different that cars shouldn’t turn into. Or some old-fashioned do-not-enter signs, or some arrows on the road simply indicating the correct direction of travel.
I didn’t set out to write a column critical of the street. I went out to take notes about what I like about the new Queens Quay. But I was confronted by an unmistakable series of near-accidents that made me fear I might witness someone’s death.
There’s plenty worth celebrating about the street’s design. But let’s keep the corks in the champagne for a bit longer while we install some markings that will show people how to safely use it.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...-is-lovely-but-potentially-lethal-keenan.html
By: Edward Keenan Columnist, Published on Mon Jun 29 2015
The rebuilt Queens Quay Blvd., re-opened in June after extensive reconstruction, is a new kind of street in Toronto. Paved partly in coloured stone, featuring wide walks, a separated bike track and a streetcar right-of-way, it’s interesting and beautiful, as some of my colleagues have noted. Shawn Micallef even wondered in these pages, “Are we allowed to have something this nice?”
Unfortunately, right now, it seems to me it’s also kind of a death trap. People on it are constantly playing a dangerous game of “whose lane is it anyway?”
Out observing the road on Monday, I quickly became aware that a solid majority of people have no idea how to drive on it. It was almost comical to hum “Yakety Sax” in my head: drivers stopped suddenly, staring head-on into the eyes of other drivers; performed panicked, undercarriage-scraping, Dukes of Hazzard-style jumps off the streetcar right-of-way; did confused three-point turns through intersections and across bicycle and streetcar lanes in an effort to find their proper lane.
Funny as it was to watch for a bit, it was also somewhat terrifying. If changes aren’t made, people are likely to die.
At Lower Spadina, car after car quickly and confidently turns left eastbound into the streetcar right-of-way before swerving back dramatically back toward the proper lane. There, they sometimes meet face-to-face with drivers going in the other direction — some of whom have turned wide out of a nearby driveway, others swerving out into oncoming traffic to go around taxis stopped for long periods blocking the only westbound lane.
At York St., things get even more confusing. There are two eastbound car lanes, one on each side of the streetcar tracks. The south one, meant to provide local access to buildings on that side, is paved in stone, and many car drivers correctly entering it suddenly think they are in the bike lane. Many stop in confusion, blocking lineups of cars following behind them in the intersection. I saw half a dozen cars reverse into the intersection and into the actual bike and pedestrian paths to turn around. Cyclists approaching from the east meanwhile, also tend to think it’s part of the bike lane, and pedal aggressively into oncoming car traffic. There are no markings or signs indicating what kind of vehicle should be in the lane or which direction vehicles in it should be travelling.
North of the streetcar tracks at York, there’s one car lane in each direction paved in traditional blacktop. Twice in 20 minutes I saw cars come face to face, their drivers each making “you’re in the wrong lane” gestures at each other. Despite the solid yellow line in the middle of the road, drivers westbound seem to feel intuitively that the eastbound lane is a passing or left-turn lane meant for them. Many drivers turning onto the street eastbound have the same intuition and wind up in the streetcar lane. Seeing the streetcar tunnel ahead, they then swerve off the elevated platform, grinding and crunching their way down onto the road.
Waterfront Toronto spokesperson Andrew Hilton has told the Star that the street has the required signs and markings to conform to Ministry of Transportation guidelines.
Those markings are not getting the job done.
You could blame drivers for not paying close attention, but most of those I saw were attentively (and usually slowly) trying — and failing — to figure out where they were supposed to be. No matter whose fault it is, a huge percentage of people on the road are baffled. Understandably so.
This is a new kind of street. It takes intuitive signals about how streets work, patterns people have spent a lifetime learning, and up-ends them. That can be a good thing, but there have to be some instructions.
Lights marked with a red “X” hanging over a lane, the kind that allow drivers to understand the weirdo reversible lane on Jarvis, might work here. Maybe some paint on the streetcar right-of-way to indicate it’s something different that cars shouldn’t turn into. Or some old-fashioned do-not-enter signs, or some arrows on the road simply indicating the correct direction of travel.
I didn’t set out to write a column critical of the street. I went out to take notes about what I like about the new Queens Quay. But I was confronted by an unmistakable series of near-accidents that made me fear I might witness someone’s death.
There’s plenty worth celebrating about the street’s design. But let’s keep the corks in the champagne for a bit longer while we install some markings that will show people how to safely use it.
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