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[nfitz]

Alright, no hyperbole.

$13B for a "rapid" transit line that still has to stop at traffic lights is a joke!

You say no hyperbole - but then you do it again.

The first 20-km has zero traffic lights. There's a 6.5 km section with traffic lights. So how much is that 6.5 km section costing compared to the other 20.5 km?

(and if they hadn't have put that stupid light at Leslie, there'd be only 5 km with a few traffic lights).

 

[Steve X]

Why are they using catenary instead of a third rail for the Ontario line?

It's actually much better for a shenanigans-filled TO. No garbage track level fire, no fear of mentally unstable person being electrocuted and less wear and tear than an actual rail that TTC fails to maintain properly.

 

[nfitz]

It's actually much better for a shenanigans-filled TO. No garbage track level fire, no fear of mentally unstable person being electrocuted and less wear and tear than an actual rail that TTC fails to maintain properly.

Cue Don Valley hang gliding.

 

[smallspy]

cheaper, more efficient, better

In an absolute vacuum, that is true.

Here however, it is not.

Alright, no hyperbole.

$13B for a "rapid" transit line that still has to stop at traffic lights is a joke!

Versus $20+ billion for a fully grade-separated line? In which case, which of the other lines would you like to give up in order to pay for it?

Dan

 

[CapitalSeven]

I suppose they should name the TBM with the maple leaf Justin. It will be digging a giant hole deeper and deeper every day.

 

[asey20]

It's actually much better for a shenanigans-filled TO. No garbage track level fire, no fear of mentally unstable person being electrocuted and less wear and tear than an actual rail that TTC fails to maintain properly.

It will be harder to get electrocuted anyways with platform screen doors in place.

 

[Bojaxs]

Would it be fair to say that the Ontario line is going to be to Toronto what the Elizabeth line is to London?

I ask because, I'm wondering if a western extension of the Ontario line could be similar to the Elizabeth line east of Whitechapel. Have the line fork off into two directions. One to Mimico, and the other up to Eglinton.

 

[ARG1]

Would it be fair to say that the Ontario line is going to be to Toronto what the Elizabeth line is to London?

I ask because, I'm wondering if a western extension of the Ontario line could be similar to the Elizabeth line east of Whitechapel. Have the line fork off into two directions. One to Mimico, and the other up to Eglinton.

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Why are you building an Ontario Line branch that just follows the route of the GO train? Not just a GO train line, but a quad track line with plenty of room for long distance express and short distance local services?

 

[crs1026]

Would it be fair to say that the Ontario line is going to be to Toronto what the Elizabeth line is to London?

I don’t see the comparison. The Elizabeth line connected points in a city where all the regional and intercity transportation lines were radial but had no centre point or cross city connectivity. And the design was “expressish” with only selected stops.
Toronto has cross city connectivity but needed relief of existing lines and some added transit coverage in densifying areas. The Ontario Line will be another stopping transit line, not a unifying cross metro line.
Toronto does need
Toronto would benefit from a cross regional connection that bypasses the downtown and serves more northerly trips. Maybe that might be a valid comparator. But the Elizabeth line is not necessarily inspirational to that.

- Paul

 

[Bojaxs]

Why are you building an Ontario Line branch that just follows the route of the GO train? Not just a GO train line, but a quad track line with plenty of room for long distance express and short distance local services?

People can get off at Mimico or Exhibition and go to Humber Bay, High Park, Roncesvalles, Parkdale, etc.

 

[Dan416]

Does it bother anyone else that for the Ontario line they use the moniker "Queen/Spadina" and "King/Bathurst" versus the usual TTC convention which would be "Queen-Spadina" and "King-Bathurst"?

I know, I know, they might be placeholder names.

Generally, I have no issue using the "/" instead of "-" (they do it in LA) but we already have precedent for the "-" so why change it now? I hate inconsistency.

 

[ARG1]

People can get off at Mimico or Exhibition and go to Humber Bay, High Park, Roncesvalles, Parkdale, etc.

... or you could add local stops to the LSW. We've had this conversation hundreds of times already.

 

[Bureaucromancer]

If you HAD to compare to London, and really I agree that it’s not an ideal comparison in the first place, the OL is probably more similar to a combination of the Victoria Line and Jubilee extension

 

[chrisw]

Buried in this doc is a commitment to provide more information about GO electrification in the coming year.

- Paul

Hopefully it's in the first half of 2025. Otherwise, it'd be more than a year after contract signing without any transparency.

 

[Bojaxs]

We've had this conversation hundreds of times already

So why you bringing it up???

I'm simply discussing the Ontario line in the Ontario line thread.