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Here's the latest Lakeshore East Corridor Construction Liaison Committee presentation.


Some key takeaways:

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generalcanada said:
cheaper, more efficient, better
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Is it more efficient, if it's lead to a larger diameter tunnel?

The diameter of the Ontario Line TBM is about 7 metres (a cross-sectional area of 38.5 m²), while the cross-sectional area of the Line 1 extension to Vaughan was 6.12 metres (a cross-sectional area of 29.4 m².

That increases the volume tunnelled by 30%! Should they spend that much more up front to reduce operating costs? It would be interesting to see the math on that.

(similarly, the single-bore Line 2 Scarborough extension tunnel has a diameter of about 10 metres (a cross-sectional area of 78.5 m²). The single tunnel is over 33% more volume of soil than a twin-bore!

I wonder which they'll finish first - the Ontario Line tunnel, or the Line 2 tunnel, which has been underway for almost 2 years now, and is only just over 15% complete. Bigger isn't necessarily better.
 
T3G said:
Not happening. Not ever.

Please find a new dead horse to flog.
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The glaring inefficiencies, baffling design choices, the juxtaposition of the elevated Ontario Line, and terrible experience that riders cannot help but notice, are the necromancers that will keep resurrecting this dead horse, so that we can flog it to death once more.

The first time riders can actually take the Eglinton Streetcar and wonder why they keep getting stuck at traffic lights, lightning strikes the grave of the horse and we will descend like a swarm of locusts to flog the horse back to death

Every time a collision at Leslie & Eglinton, Victoria Park & Eglinton, Pharmacy & Eglinton, Warden & Eglinton, and Birchmount & Eglinton shuts down the whole line, and riders have to wait 1 hour for a shuttle bus, the horse will come back to life and die from 1000 cracked whips.

Every time a rider gets on the tram only for it to travel barely 400m and stop again, these nagging doubts will emerge. "I can literally see the next stop, this is dumb, I should drive to work next time"

Every time a rider looks out the window and sees car traffic travelling as fast or faster than the train, they will wonder "why is this train stuck in traffic, this sucks"

Every Thanksgiving, in homes around Toronto, people will talk about how cramped and slow the Eglinton streetcar is, and inevitably someone will say "We spent 13B$ on it" and everyone will raise their hands up and say "Where did all that money go?".

When the Ontario Line is done, and thousands of riders transfer from a westbound Eglinton tram onto the Ontario line, riders who were just freezing their asses off next to a 6 lane stroad, will think to themselves, "Eglinton is so wide, why didn't they elevate the line and build a nice station like this?" And that horse will drag itself out of the grave and beg us to flog it again.

You can't stop us from flogging this dead horse, because it keeps coming back to life, you keep placing whips in our hands, painting a bullseye on the horse, and commanding "WHIP!".
 
MrGoose said:
The glaring inefficiencies, baffling design choices, the juxtaposition of the elevated Ontario Line, and terrible experience that riders cannot help but notice, are the necromancers that will keep resurrecting this dead horse, so that we can flog it to death once more.

The first time riders can actually take the Eglinton Streetcar and wonder why they keep getting stuck at traffic lights, lightning strikes the grave of the horse and we will descend like a swarm of locusts to flog the horse back to death

Every time a collision at Leslie & Eglinton, Victoria Park & Eglinton, Pharmacy & Eglinton, Warden & Eglinton, and Birchmount & Eglinton shuts down the whole line, and riders have to wait 1 hour for a shuttle bus, the horse will come back to life and die from 1000 cracked whips.

Every time a rider gets on the tram only for it to travel barely 400m and stop again, these nagging doubts will emerge. "I can literally see the next stop, this is dumb, I should drive to work next time"

Every time a rider looks out the window and sees car traffic travelling as fast or faster than the train, they will wonder "why is this train stuck in traffic, this sucks"

Every Thanksgiving, in homes around Toronto, people will talk about how cramped and slow the Eglinton streetcar is, and inevitably someone will say "We spent 13B$ on it" and everyone will raise their hands up and say "Where did all that money go?".

When the Ontario Line is done, and thousands of riders transfer from a westbound Eglinton tram onto the Ontario line, riders who were just freezing their asses off next to a 6 lane stroad, will think to themselves, "Eglinton is so wide, why didn't they elevate the line and build a nice station like this?" And that horse will drag itself out of the grave and beg us to flog it again.

You can't stop us from flogging this dead horse, because it keeps coming back to life, you keep placing whips in our hands, painting a bullseye on the horse, and commanding "WHIP!".
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Stop with the hyperbole.
 
MrGoose said:
You can't stop us from flogging this dead horse, because it keeps coming back to life, you keep placing whips in our hands, painting a bullseye on the horse, and commanding "WHIP!".
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You can think whatever you want about the design of the project, but it would be nice if you could do us the courtesy of starting your own Crosstown hate echo chamber Reddit community so that those of us who are looking for actual news and facts and don't care to read this nonsense can filter this content out. I can barely go into the Crosstown thread looking for news because it's polluted with whinging about its design, and now this crap is permeating other threads too.
 
T3G said:
You can think whatever you want about the design of the project, but it would be nice if you could do us the courtesy of starting your own Crosstown hate echo chamber Reddit community so that those of us who are looking for actual news and facts and don't care to read this nonsense can filter this content out. I can barely go into the Crosstown thread looking for news because it's polluted with whinging about its design, and now this crap is permeating other threads too.
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I could stop posting about the Crosstown, but when people start riding it, they too will start complaining about it.

You can try to ignore this problem, but the consequences will be reduced ridership, cramped trains and constant operational snafus.
Adjei said:
Stop with the hyperbole.
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nothing is hyperbole.

Most of the riders who will experience the surface running median part of the Crosstown, will also get to experience what could have been (The Ontario Line as fully automated, elevated high floor metro line)

So the juxtaposition and disappointment at what does exist, will always be top of mind.
 
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