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I believe it's also to do with the QRC Phase 2 development getting ready to start soon:

 

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Sadly, 'Meat on the Beach' has closed suddenly, as of yesterday.

Meat on the Beach was a butcher at heart, but had really evolved into a near full-service grocer, with produce, dairy, condiments/sauces, pasta and assorted frozen and baked goods.

A neighbourhood institution of more than 20 years, first in the 'Beach Mall' and more recently on the north side of Queen, a bit west of Woodbine.

You will find this note on their website:

It is with great sadness that we must announce that Meat on the Beach’s last day of business was Friday, January 3rd, 2020. We have served this community for over twenty years with great honour.
Thank you to our valued customers and supporters for shopping with us over the years. We have made great memories and friends along the way.

All good things must come to an end. We don’t know what the future will hold but when one
door closes another will open.

Love,
Anna and Martina


www.meatonthebeach.com

From what I understand from a friend there are indications the space is already being gutted today.
 

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One has to be very brave to open a business with these rents. I don’t like the odds.
I had a friend of mine suggest him and I open a restaurant in Downtown Toronto and I quickly shot it down. He wanted to open an Indian restaurant but was looking for a cheap space downtown.

I called him crazy and skipped out on the idea because the costs to open any small business in Toronto is insane. You cannot open anything in Toronto for less than 4 grand a month all in these days. When you factor in staffing, product costs, rent and electricity it is not cheap anymore. Unless you are an established chain or have a stellar product/service it will be hard to succeed.

The beaches in particular is has been bad for business in the past decade. So many small businesses have gone tits up recently along Queen Street East and no doubt it is because of artificially high rents. The services and products these former businesses offered were not of high enough value to warrant the high rents and the foot traffic in the off season along Queen East is not exactly high.

Look at the Tulip that just went out of business at Queen and Coxwell. Rumour has it the landlord wanted to charge 10000 a month in rent. The consensus is they wanted to force out the tulip to sell the property to a developer.
 

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I had a friend of mine suggest him and I open a restaurant in Downtown Toronto and I quickly shot it down. He wanted to open an Indian restaurant but was looking for a cheap space downtown.

I called him crazy and skipped out on the idea because the costs to open any small business in Toronto is insane. You cannot open anything in Toronto for less than 4 grand a month all in these days. When you factor in staffing, product costs, rent and electricity it is not cheap anymore. Unless you are an established chain or have a stellar product/service it will be hard to succeed.

The beaches in particular is has been bad for business in the past decade. So many small businesses have gone tits up recently along Queen Street East and no doubt it is because of artificially high rents. The services and products these former businesses offered were not of high enough value to warrant the high rents and the foot traffic in the off season along Queen East is not exactly high.

Look at the Tulip that just went out of business at Queen and Coxwell. Rumour has it the landlord wanted to charge 10000 a month in rent. The consensus is they wanted to force out the tulip to sell the property to a developer.
The Tulip story is very sad. I have had more than a few brunches and late night dinners there.
 

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I recall Kyle Rae giving a presentation in my university days explaining how much of a pain in the, erm, butt they were to get to relocate when trying to build Dundas Square. They are/were a last vestige of another era for that intersection.
 

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What a disgusting eyesore that place was. I remember it.
Yah.................but...........

I can't defend what the YDS site was before; most of the retail was in mediocre shape with buildings that were under-invested in, to put it charitably.

On the other hand, I often feel YDS is kinda dead, and the space does very little for me, even in summer.

That's not a lament for what was, but for how much better the space could have been.

Much as with 10 Dundas East, across the road; the proposal was never as good as it could or should have been, and we got less than promised.

In that case would I trade it back for the big flea market?? Probably not.........but why isn't the answer definitely?
 
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