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Weird way to go about that, though. We're going to make ourselves seem so nefarious and deviously greedy that you'll be happy to see our project be doomed to damnation and then we can go on and screw you in other ways you haven't even imagined yet....?
 
It remains a bungle of immense proportions. WTF were they thinking? They're so intoxicated with their false sense of virility. But then the question still begs: How did they get this far?

"100 lobbyists for the three levels of government". ??? And everyone inside claims they had no idea? At this rate, the claim that aliens are walking among us is just as believable.

The more I read, the more the depth of the con job becomes apparent. Rather than detail that, I'm sure the news media will have some in-depth answers. And it just might be the int'l press, ones who've been on this case for a couple of years now, The tech and business media, like the Financial Times, NYTimes, WashPost, Economist et al.

Edit: I've got to give full credit to John Lorinc as being one of the few locals to be raising Cain on this:
The controversy over Google's futuristic plans for Toronto | The Star
https://www.thestar.com › Opinion › Contributors

Jan 31, 2018 - Sidewalk Labs, a Google company aiming to branch out into city planning, has ... of Facebook,” in the words of urban affairs expert John Lorinc.
Who should manage Sidewalk Labs' digital data? | The Star
https://www.thestar.com › Opinion › Contributors

Jan 18, 2019 - By John LorincOpinion ... its smart city project, the Alphabet/Google-subsidiary will eventually begin installing a network of sensors in the public ...
LORINC: We need to Google some questions about Sidewalk Labs ...
spacing.ca/toronto/2017/10/23/alphabet-city/

LORINC: We need to Google some questions about Sidewalk Labs. October 23, 2017 | By John Lorinc. In just about every way, last week's reveal of Sidewalk ...
LORINC: Waterfront Toronto gets tough with Sidewalk Labs - Spacing ...
spacing.ca/toronto/2018/07/.../lorinc-waterfront-toronto-gets-tough-with-sidewalk-lab...

Jul 31, 2018 - LORINC: Waterfront Toronto gets tough with Sidewalk Labs ... new and more restrictive agreement with the Alphabet/Google subsidiary, and also ... a San Francisco planner who succeededJohn Campbell over two years ago ...
LORINC: Sidewalk Toronto hires a fixer - Spacing Toronto
spacing.ca/toronto/2018/04/18/lorinc-sidewalk-toronto-hires-fixer/

Apr 18, 2018 - April 18, 2018 | By John Lorinc ... indicate a subtle but important shift in approach for the Alphabet/Google-backed urban development start-up.
John Lorinc (@JohnLorinc) | Twitter
https://twitter.com/johnlorinc?lang=en
The latest Tweets from John Lorinc (@JohnLorinc). Journalist ... infrastructure (LRT) and how much to @sidewalklabs's pet projects of questionable public value.
Sidewalk Toronto: A Brazen and Ongoing Corporate Hijack of ...
https://medium.com/.../sidewalk-toronto-a-brazen-and-ongoing-corporate-hijack-of-d...

Oct 8, 2018 - The Sidewalk Toronto public consultation, promised by the CEOs of both Waterfront Toronto ... As John Lorinc at Spacing reminds us: “It's important to note that for the entirety of ... Stupid for connecting the company to Google.
Civic Tech: A list of questions we'd like Sidewalk Labs to answer
https://torontoist.com/2017/10/civic-tech-list-questions-wed-like-sidewalk-labs-answer/
Oct 30, 2017 - The first public meeting for Sidewalk Toronto is scheduled for this Wednesday, ... City by John Lorinc; Toronto must share the Sidewalk equitably, by Colette Murphy; Google's SidewalkLab signs deal for 'smart city' makeover ...
Civic Tech: Sidewalk Labs is selling quality of life, but is Toronto buying?
https://torontoist.com/.../civic-tech-sidewalk-labs-selling-quality-life-toronto-buying/

Nov 6, 2017 - Never Too Soon for Mission Creep At Sidewalk Lab's first public ... The next day, however, onstage at Google's Go North conference, Doctoroff said Sidewalk ... As John Lorincpointed out today, this work all falls within the ...
[PDF]Feedback Report - Sidewalk Toronto
https://sidewalktoronto.ca/wp.../Sidewalk-Toronto-Feedback-Report-Town-Hall.pdf

Dec 1, 2017 - Spacing (John Lorinc): LORINC: In search of clarity on Sidewalk Labs ..... Project for Public Spaces: Google's Urban Experiment in Toronto: A ...


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Macleans has an excellent opinion piece up, with lots of links and local reference, and details not reported in TorStar, Cdn Press or Globe:
Cracks in the Sidewalk
David Skok: What started as an innovation partnership built on data now seems like an old-fashioned land deal that puts taxpayers on the hook
by David Skok
Feb 15, 2019


David Skok is the founder and editor-in-chief of The Logic
Toronto sidewalks are a mess.
A series of storms this February have left them impassible for pedestrians, strollers and wheelchairs—signs of a metropolis bursting at the seams without the money to pay for basic snow-removal services.
Enter the appeal of a different Sidewalk, the one proposed as a smart-city development on Toronto’s waterfront by tech giant Alphabet. When Sidewalk Toronto—the joint partnership between all three levels of government and Sidewalk Labs, Google’s sister company—was announced in October 2017, it was billed as a chance to showcase Toronto’s innovative spirit to the world, a reclamation project for abandoned land and a way to generate some revenue for a city that desperately needs it.
Making that case just became a lot tougher. This week, the company’s long-awaited business plan was leaked to the Toronto Star and the National Observer.
The plan contained some exciting and bold proposals: expanding the city’s light-rail transit, reiterating the company’s ambitions for tall-timber buildings, adding affordable housing. But, as it wrote in its plan, Sidewalk Labs also wants a share of property taxes, development fees and the increased value of the land as a result of the development.
What started as an innovation partnership built on data now seems like an old-fashioned land deal that puts taxpayers on the hook.
Many were already concerned about the data-privacy elements of the project and Sidewalk Labs had taken steps to alleviate some of that criticism. But, a land deal was always going to be a harder sell to residents.
It’s one thing to hand over your data, something that we’ve become accustomed to doing. It’s another thing entirely to hand over your land.
If the Sidewalk project turns into a conversation about land transfers and property-tax revenues, it could force a restart of the bidding process, introduce more firms into the debate and call into question how Sidewalk arrived on Lake Ontario’s shores in the first place.
First, the initial Request-for-Proposals (RFP) for the land—issued in a compressed timeline by Waterfront Toronto, the agency in charge—was for an innovation partner, not a traditional development partner. Had it been a land transaction, there’s a strong argument to be made that other bidders would have made stronger pitches.
Some critics—including Jim Balsillie, former Research in Motion (now BlackBerry) co-CEO—have made calls to hit the reset button.
Second, Sidewalk Labs CEO Dan Doctoroff suggested that only Alphabet could invest the resources needed to get the project off the ground, telling the Star that “this land is stubbornly resistant to development.” Given that the federal, provincial and municipal governments are spending a combined $2.5 billion for flood protection in the area, that implication doesn’t hold water—pardon the pun.
And, as The Logic reported earlier this month, leading developer Mattamy Homes has quietly approached the provincial government with an alternative “all-Canadian” proposal for the Quayside land, bringing together some of our homegrown tech firms to build the “smart” component of the city.
Third, while the land on offer was just 12 acres on the Quayside, the leaked business plan had Sidewalk Labs calling for 350 acres.
“We don’t think that 12 acres on Quayside has the scale to actually have the impact on affordability and economic opportunity and transit that everyone aspires to,” Doctoroff told the Star.
If you didn’t think that 12 acres was enough, why did you set up shop in the first place?
From the initial agreement to internal documents that The Logic’s Amanda Roth reported on last summer, it seems to have been an open secret between the government and Sidewalk that more land was in play than what was publicly disclosed. [...continues...]

The Logic, linked in the above, is a subscription article, cover article stating the gist is here:
Mattamy Homes might submit second proposal for Quayside smart city project: report
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By Shruti Shekar@shruti_shekar
FEB 6, 2019
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The Logic, linked in the above, is a subscription article, cover article stating the gist is here:
Mattamy Homes might submit second proposal for Quayside smart city project: report
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By Shruti Shekar@shruti_shekar
FEB 6, 2019
1:43 PM EST

"Sources have also said that there is going to be a meeting between Mattamy Homes and the provincial government".... I'm calling it now: backroom deals will be made between Mattamy and DoFo's government, and they will get the project rather than Sidewalk Labs. I guess the $100,000 that they donated to Ontario Proud during the last election is really going to pay off! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
^It's a very real concern. In an earlier post on the present revelations, I'd written (gist) "They're not your friends. Everyone wants a piece of the action". And that pertains to all pushing for a place at the trough.

But there's the point: "trough". It's been provided to them. "Come and get it!" The bottom line for me and others is that if the land is so valuable, why wasn't Enterprise there before the trough was put out to pay for the massive clean-up costs and co-ordination?

There's an argument to be made as to whether this land should be built on at all and there are quite a few ongoing businesses down there. Those calling this an "empty wasteland" are just not privy to reality. "Underutilized"? Absolutely. The City will actually be the level of gov't most vociferous on protecting those businesses and Toronto's direct interest. It won't be perfect, but it will be a hell of a lot more accountable in relative terms than the Feds or QP.

So once the Don is flowing as it should, the City should put it to a plebiscite as to what the majority of the owners (city taxpayers) want done with the land left after the river remediation. I find it offensive that without questioning anyone, the vast majority is slated for development. The amount of parkland first touted for this whole project has shrunk. Initially there was to be an entirely new appendage out into the lake, akin to the Leslie Street Spit, for parkland.

That has quietly disappeared. We're shown all these wonderful pics of Nirvana unbridled with Huck Finn fishing, and romantic couples cooing, hand in hand, and serenity washing away all the City's previous sins...

But meantime the emphasis behind the facade is developers back-stabbing each other to be first in line for the handouts. I'm being dramatic, doubtless, but no more so than the greedy ground grabbers grovelling like Gollum.

How easily some are assuaged by the promises of "X% affordable housing". Affordable by what standards?

I just hope Toronto's major press won't be bought out again on this. The int'l press certainly isn't. Reuters copy on this is splashed across quite a few offshore pubs already. Look for more in the next week.
 
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^ The Financial Post (not to be confused with the Fin Times) has a more updated and moderate response to the initial TorStar revelation last week. It's worth reading the entire article, but this still remains the bottom line:
[...]
In October, tech entrepreneur Saadia Muzaffar resigned from Waterfront Toronto’s advisory panel overseeing the Quayside project, over “profound concern” about transparency.

“There has been outright obfuscation and complete avoidance of accountability when asked about their business model for over a year,” she said in an email Friday. “Toronto residents have been gracious so far, but we are done dealing with bad faith actors who have been hiding critical information from us while trying to propose deals. Our home city does not need them for good city-building. We are done.”

See also:
 
"Sources have also said that there is going to be a meeting between Mattamy Homes and the provincial government".... I'm calling it now: backroom deals will be made between Mattamy and DoFo's government, and they will get the project rather than Sidewalk Labs. I guess the $100,000 that they donated to Ontario Proud during the last election is really going to pay off! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Since the land is not owned by the Province I doubt this (though not the idea of DoFo and backroom deals).
 
The wording seems to indicate that Mattamy Homes was one of the bidders for Quayside, that were swept aside for Sidewalk Labs.

Whatever you think of Mattamy, I think that we the public should have known more about what they were proposing and for how much, and if that proposal was duly considered. Waterfront Toronto's transparency doesn't come across as particularly great here.

Anyway, I literally said this as a joke the other day, and here we are:

Imagine how differently this unilateral announcement of expansion on publicly owned lands in the Portlands, proposal for acquisition of future municipal revenues, and apparent "secret meetings" with three levels of government, would read if we replaced "Sidewalk Toronto" with "Mattamy Homes" or "Smart Centres".

Observe the visceral reaction towards Mattamy Homes in the posts above. Imagine the reaction on here if it was Mattamy Homes proposing to acquire future public revenue and following the same steps as Sidewalk Labs.
 
Since the land is not owned by the Province
OMG...I don't know why this didn't strike me before...and the Province does own a chunk of it down there...but what's to stop Duggie doing his Digging to upload the City's overwhelming share?

Would he? Could he? There's already been 'crosstalk' from the Ontario Place move as to an eye on the Port Lands.

"Folks, we, the Government For the People, have decided to upload the Port Lands, and build a subway there, as we can borrow the money cheaper to do what's necessary for the good hard working taxpayers of this province..."
 
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I don't understand why we need Sidewalk Labs or Alphagetti to build the portlands. This is high demand land, why can't we just sell it to regular developers who will pay the usual fees, stick to a government approved plan, etc? You only need to work with Google and surrender the city's rights to funding and control if the land is distressed or unwanted. But this is the last piece of high pop urban brown field this side of the Great Lakes. We don't need a fire sale or silly conditions.

Did we learn nothing from the 407 sale? These foreign companies buying our infrastructure rarely are in our best interest in the long term. And companies come and go, Google may be ascendant today, but one day will be gone, with its assets gobbled up by some other.
 
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I don't understand why we need Sidewalk Labs or Alphagetti to build the portlands. This is high demand land, why can't we just sell it to regular developers who will pay the usual fees, stick to a government approved plan, etc? You only need to work with Google and surrender the city's rights to funding and control if the land is distressed or unwanted. But this is the last piece of high pop urban brown field this side of the Great Lakes. We don't need a fire sale or silly conditions.

Did we learn nothing from the 407 sale? These foreign companies buying our infrastructure rarely are in our best interest in the long term. And companies come and go, Google may be ascendant today, but one day will be gone, with its assets gobbled up by some other.
the idea is that Sidewalk labs can do it a whole lot faster than the city.

The city doesn't have the financial backing to build it out all at once and let the development follow - it will be done piece by piece. Right now the waterfront LRT is considered a 20+ year horizon project - you will notice all of Waterfront Toronto's planning documents show a temporary BRT in its place right now. There are a lot of other infrastructure projects like that as the city can't debt finance it all (as to why they can't - that's a much more complicated answer).

Sidewalk is basically offering to build everything for the city in exchange for delayed payments in the form of development charges.

This is really just a basic P3 model, it's not that complicated. Think of how often P3 consortiums build bridges and get repaid through 30 years of access to the tolls on the bridge. It's the same sort of thing.

It's far from a 407 sale - the big issue with that is that it did not remain in public ownership. Well, technically it did, but the 407 is leased to the private company until 2097.. so. This would remain in public ownership - Sidewalk Labs would simply act as the project financier.

Look at how the Eglinton Crosstown will be managed - it's owned by the province, but is built, financed, and will be maintained by a private company.
 
the idea is that Sidewalk labs can do it a whole lot faster than the city.
What's the rush for? What corners will Google cut to make it faster? There are only so many construction crews, cranes, trucks, equipment, engineers and building materials available, so are they cutting planning, permits and oversight?

What I like about pre-condo boom Toronto is the hodgepodge of building types and eras. Do we really want the entire lower Don Lands and Portlands to look like new Regent Park or West Don Lands neighbourhood with cookie cutter towers of glass and steel.
 
What's the rush for? What corners will Google cut to make it faster? There are only so many construction crews, cranes, trucks, equipment, engineers and building materials available, so are they cutting planning, permits and oversight?

What I like about pre-condo boom Toronto is the hodgepodge of building types and eras. Do we really want the entire lower Don Lands and Portlands to look like new Regent Park or West Don Lands neighbourhood with cookie cutter towers of glass and steel.
There are plenty of construction workers. The problem isn't that the city can't find a contractor - it's that the city can't find the money. It's an accounting issue. The physical construction process itself will be just as long - but Sidewalk Labs will be able to get it started much quicker - meaning that the city can reap the benefits much quicker.

As for your second comment - that has nothing to do with Sidewalk Labs. If anything the architectural style they are pursuing is a strong attempt at preventing that on the sites they plan to develop themselves.
 

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