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Of course not, hence the snarky tone of my inquiry. They're perfectly content to just let it crumble. Maybe at some point, if they feel like it, they'll set up a tarp so that future riders won't have to endure the indignity of being rained on while waiting for their bus.

The condition of Islington is an embarrassment to this city. The TTC can't be bothered to even occasionally wash the walls at platform level. Disgusting levels of apathy abound. The new CEO doesn't give two shits.
In fairness....

Islington Station would have been done sooner (and possibly by now) if the original redevelopment plan for a commercial tower on the property hadn't failed. I don't think that we can pin that one on the TTC.

As well, they can't close down the bus bays until Mississauga Transit gets its new terminal. Sure, it could be argued that it should have happened already, but as we all know, nothing fast happens transit-wise in this City.

Yes there is a plan in place, and yes, there's even a schedule for it to happen. But until the MT buses are able to serve Kipling Station they can't be moved out, and thus the bus terminal - in its current, horrid state - needs to keep pressing on in service.

All that said - I can't help but agree with you about the current CEO. I didn't like him at YRT, and I certainly don't like him at the TTC.

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Although I pass through the area a few times a week, I had no idea the site was this far along! Great shots @Jasonzed!
The TTC is no longer driving the bus on the redevelopment of Islington Station following MiWay's move to Kipling, it's now Create TO in the driver's seat as the site was one of the City properties that were identified as being prime candidates for affordable housing construction. Here's a conceptual plan for the site:

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That was created for a December, 2019 public open house. The plan is to have a plan sent to Council for approval in the third quarter of 2020.

If you want to know more, check out https://createto.ca/housingnow/housing/bloor-islington/

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The TTC is no longer driving the bus on the redevelopment of Islington Station following MiWay's move to Kipling, it's now Create TO in the driver's seat as the site was one of the City properties that were identified as being prime candidates for affordable housing construction. Here's a conceptual plan for the site:

View attachment 225771

That was created for a December, 2019 public open house. The plan is to have a plan sent to Council for approval in the third quarter of 2020.

If you want to know more, check out https://createto.ca/housingnow/housing/bloor-islington/

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Looks like a reasonable plan. Not sure why there couldn't be highrise development on top of the bus terminal though.
 

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^I just hope they do a good job of setbacks and sidewalk width on Islington and on Bloor. The building on the southwest corner of Islington and Bloor is egregiously close to Bloor Street. If this precedent leads to similar on the north side, it will be one crappy place to walk.

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The TTC is no longer driving the bus on the redevelopment of Islington Station following MiWay's move to Kipling, it's now Create TO in the driver's seat as the site was one of the City properties that were identified as being prime candidates for affordable housing construction. Here's a conceptual plan for the site:

View attachment 225771

That was created for a December, 2019 public open house. The plan is to have a plan sent to Council for approval in the third quarter of 2020.

If you want to know more, check out https://createto.ca/housingnow/housing/bloor-islington/

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At first glance this looks like a very solid plan that they have here.

It's pretty unfortunate that office development didnt pan out here, but at this point it's time that the TTC got out of planning what happens at Islington because they've dragged their feet on the issue for far too long (even though Metrolinx and the City also deserve a share of the blame as well).

I agree with @crs1026 with the sidewalk setback issues; the city better damn well ensure there are adequate setbacks here. I'd also add that they should ensure that there is some kind of mini-pedestrian plaza on the southeast corner of the site that acts like a gateway and ties in nicely with the plaza at Islington-Bloor Place.

As for the Islington Bus Bays themselves, the TTC better be putting shovels on the ground there as soon as Mississauga buses relocate to Kipling because the terminal is literally a ticking time-bomb.

Looks like a reasonable plan. Not sure why there couldn't be highrise development on top of the bus terminal though.
As long as the TTC is involved, something like that will never happen in a million years. The only precedent for something like that have been with the bus bays at Davisville and York Mills.
 

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As long as the TTC is involved, something like that will never happen in a million years. The only precedent for something like that have been with the bus bays at Davisville and York Mills.
Uhh, Wellesley Station? McCaul Loop? Eglinton bus garage? Sherbourne Station? They've had quite a few property redevelopments over the years where the TTC has kept access to the ground level for their own purposes.

And again, the former development at Islington falling through was not the fault of the TTC's, but with the prime tenant's - SNC Lavalin - financial difficulties.

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And again, the former development at Islington falling through was not the fault of the TTC's, but with the prime tenant's - SNC Lavalin - financial difficulties.

Dan
SNC Lavalin demanded something like a 300 car parking garage at Islington Station for them to move there and the City said "no".

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Uhh, Wellesley Station? McCaul Loop? Eglinton bus garage? Sherbourne Station? They've had quite a few property redevelopments over the years where the TTC has kept access to the ground level for their own purposes.

And again, the former development at Islington falling through was not the fault of the TTC's, but with the prime tenant's - SNC Lavalin - financial difficulties.

Dan
True enough Wellesley, Eglinton, and Sherbourne all slipped my mind somehow. My main point though, is that the TTC/city hasnt been doing a good job at leveraging their existing property for development to take place overtop.

There's no reason why stations like St.Geroge, Spadina, and others have seen no development overtop. Of course there would be certain engineering challenges of performing such a task, but it's still a feasible endeavor.
 

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There's no reason why stations like St.Geroge, Spadina, and others have seen no development overtop. Of course there would be certain engineering challenges of performing such a task, but it's still a feasible endeavor.
There is absolutely a reason. Developers are always going to go for the cheapest option, and if there is other land available - think surface parking lots, for instance - they will use that first.

In time I suspect that we'll see all of the stations close to the core get redeveloped, as well as a couple of other key locations. But for some of those locations, it may be some time still before that happens. There is still property that is currently unbuilt upon to be used first.

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Almost completed the tunnel from the Hub to TTC tunnel and the new access to the Kiss & Ride.










 

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Lot More up on my site at the end and near the front as well since it was 2 visit that day.















 

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What's the estimated completion date?
Opening September 2020. All the land not part of the Hub will be come a new TTC parking lot.

Once the Hub tunnel is connected to TTC ones, back filling and grading will start in the spring for TTC lot along with the PPU
 

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