TOareaFan
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If you take DT Brampton out of the equation for a minute and look at, say, the stretch of this LRT that will run from Steeles to SQ1...is that the goal? To take cars out of the equation and turn it into a transit and pedestrian way?
No, I don't think so, it is to make transit more attractive and more viable and encourage a bigger split of use going to transit....no one, I think, is of the opinion that this LRT removes cars the length of Hurontario/Main.
Vaucluse
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I don't think it would be a good idea to make all of the route a pedestrian-tram-cycle way but we should reduce the space given over to cars now. Here is another photo I dug up of the Grenoble tramway:
This was a six lane road in Grenoble, the two middle lanes were removed to accommodate the tramway. I can't see any reason why this couldn't be done on Hurontario.
This was a six lane road in Grenoble, the two middle lanes were removed to accommodate the tramway. I can't see any reason why this couldn't be done on Hurontario.
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TOareaFan
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Not sure about the grass....but, other than that, this is roughly what is being done to Hurontario/Main.......but while it may increase the share of trips being taken by transit it is not likely to transform the corridor to a pedistrian zone.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Grass is being suggested for the Eglington, Sheppard East, and Finch West LRT. Why not other cities? See link.
TOareaFan
Superstar
All I was saying was that I was not sure if grass was part of the LRT on Hurontario plan.....was pointing out that other than that I thought the picture the poster was showing looked a lot like what we can expect on Hurontario.
ElChico
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At the information meetings residents on main asked if there are any existing LRTs that travel through a a historical neighbourhood of single family homes. The trams in old cities of europe is not a good comparison.
Wrenkin
Active Member
There are parts of Queen Street East and Kingston Road that feature houses, or did at the time they were built. Danforth still has a few houses on it, and would have had more at the time the streetcar was running (similarly with older routs like Dupont).
I don't really see the difference between the current street and an LRT from the residents' perspective. Surely there's already noise.
I don't really see the difference between the current street and an LRT from the residents' perspective. Surely there's already noise.
ElChico
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About half of their issues are non-starters, but there is some influence on the street, and if the anti-lrt crowd gains traction it could derail the northern part of the project.
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Howard Park Blvd is a residential street with streetcar tracks. Upper Gerrard, also on the 506 Carlton line, is mostly house residential as well. I expect that the line will start off with 10 minute base service, which would be the equivalent to most TTC routes.
TOareaFan
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There are many different views, as you might expect, across the almost 600k population of Brampton. It will be interesting to see how the funding model comes out. If it is 100% funded from the transit fund being proposed that is one thing.....if, however, the province looks for contributions from the two municipalities then you might see a much larger groundswell of opposition in Brampton.
It serves and provides value to such a small percentage of the population of Brampton that if it ended up causing a tax increase, or deferred other services that taxes might pay for, to fund a portion of this it will raise the ire of a great many folks.
It is a Mississauga line with some potential regional connectivity value (depending on the levels of service at Cooksville and Brampton GO stations) but with very little value on a municipal basis to Brampton and the bulk of its citizens/voters/taxpayers (never sure what the in vogue descriptor is these days).
nfitz
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My house is close enough to Gerrard I can hear the streetcars rattle by with the windows closed.
If they cut my streetcar service to only once every 10 minutes, I'll be complaining.
Vaucluse
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The discussion at the time I posted the photo of Grenoble was about preserving the historical character of the downtown area. My intention by posting the photo was to demonstrate that even with overhead wires that the historical appearance of an area is not greatly affected. While not a good comparison for the situation on Brampton I think the photo does show that overhead wires would not be too visually distracting.
As well, the trams of Europe do not just go through the dense city centres they also go into the suburbs where there are single family dwellings. Generally tram lines are welcome in the neighbourhoods that they serve in Europe as trams are quicker, quieter and cleaner than the buses they replace.
My second photo of the trams in Grenoble was not to advocate for grass between the tracks or the similarity between Boul. Marechal Foch and the future Hurontario St., but to demonstrate that it's possible to eliminate space for cars to replace it with transit, sidewalks, or cycle paths.
When Grenoble created it's tram network it was to displace automobile capacity to force people to take transit or ride their bikes or walk. This was not some socialist plot to get rid of cars but it was a drastic measure that Grenoble took to eliminate the smog created by thousands of diesel cars each day.
blu333
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Exactly my sentiments here, as the LRT is still on planning and design stages, we hope they do the right thing with this one. it would be beneficial to all and it would make BRAMPTON a one of a kind city in Ontario. All we can do now is hope they turn this downtown into the ones like Grenoble , and not waste it like just some any other areas along the LRT route.
TOareaFan
Superstar
ok...sell me....how does this LRT make Brampton a one of a kind city in Ontario?