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Quick question - apologies if this is something often asked. Was having the HMLRT southern terminus at Lakeshore Rd rather than at the GO station ever considered? (Level sheltered platform at GO stop vs 2.5 degree sloped open, then cut/cover south from there with some property impacts)

Wouldn't have been cheap but since they are bothering to bring the terminus south of the bridge it seems like a lot of the hard part would have been done!
 
dowlingm said:
Quick question - apologies if this is something often asked. Was having the HMLRT southern terminus at Lakeshore Rd rather than at the GO station ever considered? (Level sheltered platform at GO stop vs 2.5 degree sloped open, then cut/cover south from there with some property impacts)

Wouldn't have been cheap but since they are bothering to bring the terminus south of the bridge it seems like a lot of the hard part would have been done!
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The terminus is at Lakeshore, and not Port Credit GO. :)

Edit: Scratch that...Wow... When did the line get stopped at the GO station?!

Looking at the project website, there is nothing showing the extension down to Lakeshore anymore. Completely missed this!

http://lrt-mississauga.brampton.ca/...0225_Port Credit GO_Full_Buildout_low_res.jpg
 
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Tuscani01 said:
The terminus is at Lakeshore, and not Port Credit GO. :)
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Changed when Mississauga residents and their councillors spoke up about their perception of the appropriateness of LRT passing through their historic, and mainly residential, neighbourhood.

Think it was around March 2014 or so they announced the change.
 
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The last stop on Port St was removed after the PICs.

My thoughts on this go to the technical side. Those who were against the LRT didn't want it on Main. They want it turned onto Steeles Ave west or east. But the bus terminal is on the north side of Steeles and the corresponding LRT stop was to be north of Steeles. So I'm curious to see if they will push for that stop to be south of Steeles, making the interface less convenient for riders,

There is a report done by SNC Lavalin that has already dismissed all the options that take this thing off of Main. Steeles would have to be significantly widened, thereby requiring major expropriation of longstanding commercial and residential properties east or west of Main. Some want to run it up the Etobicoke Creek. But the Toronto Region Conservation Authority has shot that down because of impacts to the flood way.

Here is a copy of the SNC Lavalin report. https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/40056773/hmlrt-alignment-alternatives-2014-09-26/11

This is a report from Hach Mott McDonald review of the SLI report:
http://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents.../LRT/HMLRT-Brampton-Alignment-Peer-Review.pdf

I have a feeling these have been linked before. Too lazy to check.
 
Tuscani01 said:
The terminus is at Lakeshore, and not Port Credit GO. :)

Edit: Scratch that...Wow... When did the line get stopped at the GO station?!

Looking at the project website, there is nothing showing the extension down to Lakeshore anymore. Completely missed this!

http://lrt-mississauga.brampton.ca/EN/Public-Consultation/PublishingImages/Public_Information_Centre_3/140225_Port Credit GO_Full_Buildout_low_res.jpg
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The reason it doesn't exist at this time as there is a Transportation EA underway for Lakeshore. It will be a few years until it done since they want to look at land use first. Getting cross the PC river is a major issue with or without the LRT. By rights, there needs to be another bridge and that may happen when the 4th track take place as well extending the Queensway over the river to 403.

Until that is done, it unknown if the original plan for Port St is the right route or going west on the Lakeshore to Mississauga Rd and the Imperial Oil Lands.

The 2 ward councilors want to get the 23 down to 7/12 minutes.

A route from Port St to the Imperial Oil Lands has been looked at, but is it the right route? The master plan calls for the LRT to go east on the Lakeshore to Long Branch under the 15-25 year Big Move.
 
cbrown2009 said:
There is a report done by SNC Lavalin that has already dismissed all the options that take this thing off of Main. Steeles would have to be significantly widened,
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This is interesting....both, east and west of Main/Hurontario Steeles is a much wider roadway than Main north of Steeles....so if significant widening of Steeles would be necessary to host a LRT....why is there no need to significantly widen Main in the original routing?
 
It's not a need, but a "can't" because it's a downtown core.

Widening Steeles a bit, if absolutely needed, is theoretically possible in some parts by eating into easements, front yard expropriations (ugh! barf.), and the grass padding surrounding sidewalks, but widening Main isn't because sidewalks are narrow, and the downtown "heritage" buildings are verboten territory for expropriation.
 
TOareaFan said:
This is interesting....both, east and west of Main/Hurontario Steeles is a much wider roadway than Main north of Steeles....so if significant widening of Steeles would be necessary to host a LRT....why is there no need to significantly widen Main in the original routing?
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Guessing that existing/projected traffic volumes on Main vs Steeles might be a factor?
 
TOareaFan said:
Steeles is wider but has more traffic so we should take the LRT to the narrower but less travelled Main?
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Basically, but especially if you project a lot more traffic coming off 410 at Steeles. In an ideal world I guess you'd do both, like Hamilton A/B given that Brampton principally gives traffic from the west and Bramalea from the 416 but then you'd want to see a bit of a transformation in the big box area along Steeles plus figure out how to build it while not borking the 410-Steeles interchange for a long period.
 
dowlingm said:
Guessing that existing/projected traffic volumes on Main vs Steeles might be a factor?
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Steeles Avenue is a major truck route, that might be a factor as well. Through trucks are banned on Main Street north of Steeles. Local deliveries and such are, of course, permitted.

Part of Brampton's problem is a lack of through east-west collectors or minor arterials between Steeles and Queen. Charolais and Elgin are only west of Main; Elgin disappears past McLaughlin. Clarence Street only runs east of Main and disappears after Kennedy Road. Orenda Road is diagonal, and only runs east of Kennedy Road, while Glidden Road is only between Kennedy and West Drive. Clark Boulevard, which is through to Airport Road, runs only east of Rutherford.

North of Queen, Williams Parkway runs all the way from Mississauga Road to Humberwest Parkway - a useful alternative to Queen and Bovaird (Highway 7). Vodden Road/Howden Drive/Central Park drive provides another continuous route (though requiring two right or two left turns) between Main and Airport.

East-west travel in south Brampton is forced onto Steeles or Queen, while north of Queen, there are alternate routes. And there are plenty of closer alternatives for motor traffic going north-south as the roads are so much closer.
 
ShonTron said:
East-west travel in south Brampton is forced onto Steeles or Queen, while north of Queen, there are alternate routes. And there are plenty of closer alternatives for motor traffic going north-south as the roads are so much closer.
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Its almost like the portion of Brampton south of Queen to Steeles was largely planned and built as two separate municipalities that only saw the "minor" east-west routes as a way to connect to the industrial bit in between the two ;)
 
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