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NoahB said:
Just a sanity check. Which part of the route has this grade separation/tunnel? I though the whole route was at the street level.
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Some context from ML’s release:
Caption: An artist's rendering of the King Street East grade separation.

The future King Street East underpass will allow the light rail vehicles (LRVs) to travel under the existing CPKC rail line. Separating the two lines will ensure reliable, continuous movement along the LRT route and a smooth convenient journey for customers.
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There was always going to be an underpass in that area afaik, even on the old 2017 reference design. They would probably be wise to do this at Dundurn as well and have the station in a trench (like Humber College on the Finch line).
 
BrenWilson said:
There was always going to be an underpass in that area afaik, even on the old 2017 reference design. They would probably be wise to do this at Dundurn as well and have the station in a trench (like Humber College on the Finch line).
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Do you mean in an attempt to reduce the turning radii at the two Dundurn turns? I wonder if buying the Dundurn plaza, trenching across it, then selling airspace above and land around the station could provide a net benefit to the project. One thing I'd like to see is North American transit projects use the increased value of the real estate around new transit to pay for some of the cost and also to provide TOC and affordable housing options. That's probably too complex for us though.
 
Chris R. said:
Do you mean in an attempt to reduce the turning radii at the two Dundurn turns? I wonder if buying the Dundurn plaza, trenching across it, then selling airspace above and land around the station could provide a net benefit to the project. One thing I'd like to see is North American transit projects use the increased value of the real estate around new transit to pay for some of the cost and also to provide TOC and affordable housing options. That's probably too complex for us though.
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More so to avoid the signalized intersections.
 
BrenWilson said:
There was always going to be an underpass in that area afaik, even on the old 2017 reference design. They would probably be wise to do this at Dundurn as well and have the station in a trench (like Humber College on the Finch line).
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Chris R. said:
Do you mean in an attempt to reduce the turning radii at the two Dundurn turns? I wonder if buying the Dundurn plaza, trenching across it, then selling airspace above and land around the station could provide a net benefit to the project.
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Or we could just revert back to constructing the 403 bridge.
 
Bojaxs said:
Or we could just revert back to constructing the 403 bridge.
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I'm personally of the opinion that one of the old alignments would have been best where it continued along King St across the 403 toward the Food Basics plaza by Westdale, there could be a station there with high density TOC and it could turn toward Main St W down Paradise Road, or Longwood.
 
Chris R. said:
I'm personally of the opinion that one of the old alignments would have been best where it continued along King St across the 403 toward the Food Basics plaza by Westdale, there could be a station there with high density TOC and it could turn toward Main St W down Paradise Road, or Longwood.
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That would be great as that area of King is such a weird liminal space, despite having some great stores. Really needs to ditch the one way part of king and the bizarre section of paradise that is like an empty highway.
 
BrenWilson said:
That would be great as that area of King is such a weird liminal space, despite having some great stores. Really needs to ditch the one way part of king and the bizarre section of paradise that is like an empty highway.
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Here's the formal pre-qualification for the first package of civil & utility works.

The scope of work includes: The major components of the civil infrastructure scope for Package 1 include the following:

• design, construction and commissioning of third-party infrastructure which will include the relocation of all underground utilities, both public and private.

• reconstruction of all roads, curbs, sidewalks, and hard/soft landscape areas disturbed by the Project,

• construction, replacement and rehabilitation of all structures and retaining walls necessary for the Project.

• reconstruction of Frid Street to accommodate the proposed run-in track, spanning from Main Street West to the Operations, Maintenance, and Storage Facility (OMSF) located at Chatham Street.

• conversion of existing one-way traffic on Main Street to future bi-directional configuration and changes to the relevant traffic pattern;

• interface with enabling works contractors engaged by the Owner, if any, for work including utility design and relocations;

• work affecting Ministry of Transportation (MTO) infrastructure will require the service provider(s) to be registered in MTO’s Registry Appraisal and Qualification System (RAQS) for engineering and construction contract administration, before undertaking the works; and

• additional works agreed during the Alliance Development Phase which provides value for money for the whole project
 
Very interesting. Makes sense with the timelines I guess, I wonder what stage if design the 2-way is at now and if that will just be handed over to the winning bid.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Interesting - so they are integrating the Main St 2-way conversion into the contract? Am I reading that right?
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This caught my eye too.

It seems like a lot of this work can start sooner rather than later, especially if a design for a 2-way Main St exists and just needs to be implemented. That is probably the first thing they’d want to do, actually, since it’s simple and isolated from most of the rest of the project (being on King).

Would really love to know when any of this would get started, though.
 
urbancog said:
Here's the formal pre-qualification for the first package of civil & utility works.

The scope of work includes: The major components of the civil infrastructure scope for Package 1 include the following:

• design, construction and commissioning of third-party infrastructure which will include the relocation of all underground utilities, both public and private.

• reconstruction of all roads, curbs, sidewalks, and hard/soft landscape areas disturbed by the Project,

• construction, replacement and rehabilitation of all structures and retaining walls necessary for the Project.

• reconstruction of Frid Street to accommodate the proposed run-in track, spanning from Main Street West to the Operations, Maintenance, and Storage Facility (OMSF) located at Chatham Street.

• conversion of existing one-way traffic on Main Street to future bi-directional configuration and changes to the relevant traffic pattern;

• interface with enabling works contractors engaged by the Owner, if any, for work including utility design and relocations;

• work affecting Ministry of Transportation (MTO) infrastructure will require the service provider(s) to be registered in MTO’s Registry Appraisal and Qualification System (RAQS) for engineering and construction contract administration, before undertaking the works; and

• additional works agreed during the Alliance Development Phase which provides value for money for the whole project
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One cool thing about breaking up the LRT project contract like this is we will get to see the true cost of LRT, standing alone from the massive existing civil infrastructure work that is often bundled with these projects. Of course, the rail laying contract will come later.
 
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