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[muller877]

The map is a little bit outdated: Russell/Eden Valley, East Mall, Rangoon, and Renforth have been cut from the proposed Phase II west section. I also doubt that the Jane or Don Mills LRTs will ever get built either.
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The map should also have other RT lines included. At Renforth the Mississauga BRT. Plus the various GO lines. And of course the UPX at Black Creek.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

This is basically transit priority to where the lights will change for the LRT when it is a certain distance away from intersection. This is not happening in Toronto anytime soon since we're still very car dependent and there will be a lot of complaints from drivers.

Despite transit priority not being a part of the TTC "streetcar RoW" routes, the Metrolinx LRT lines (Crosstown, Finch West, Hurontario) will feature transit priority signalling.

 

[musafir]

I didn't realize the Western terminus of the Crosstown will link with the UP Express. I can imagine the traffic on UP will rise significantly once it links to the Crosstown, and further more if Crosstown East is built.

 

[Tuck]

It likely will increase, we might have a better idea of how much if it were not for the fact that there isn't a direct transfer at Bloor due to classical NIMBYism.

I thought that was because of the owners of The Crossways being crummy?

 

[Steve X]

I didn't realize the Western terminus of the Crosstown will link with the UP Express. I can imagine the traffic on UP will rise significantly once it links to the Crosstown, and further more if Crosstown East is built.

When the crosstown opens, TTC might consider extending the 32A to Pearson which would save people a lot of time oppose to taking the 52A to Lawrence Station and force to take the Yonge line north or south as the 124/162 can't get people to the east end. Taking the UPX would save people 10-15 minutes but a free transfer would be more appealing than $5 additional for two stops on the UPX.

If it does happen, UPX ridership wouldn't go up as much as you expect unless the do some sort of fare integration.

 

[Adjei]

So what happens to the Weston stop?

 

[Leo_Chan]

So what happens to the Weston stop?

It's could be used as a second platform for the Kitchener RER/SmartTrack station.

 

[Steve X]

So what happens to the Weston stop?

It stays.

It's could be used as a second platform for the Kitchener RER/SmartTrack station.

The station already has 3 UPX platforms and 3 GO train platforms. The UPX are 3 car high floor platform connection the the GO platform. The UPX platforms are way too short for GO RER trains.
Have a look: https://www.upexpress.com/SchedulesStations/WestonStationDesktop
There's no plan to repurpose the station.

 

[TransitBart]

When are we looking at for Crosstown East and West, mid 2020s?

Good question. When they came up (again) about 18 months ago, I think that Toronto City Council expressed a desire to see them open at the same time as the EC. Environmental assessments need to be amended for both because the current plan is at significant variance from the Transit City plans.

So the things that need to fall into place as I understand them are:

1. Finalize plan.
2. Funding for EA amendments to plan.
3. EA amendments executed, completed, accepted.
4. Funding for construction.
5. Build.

I would be disappointed with a later date.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Just a small question, but does the Crosstown site have the Environmental Assessment document pdfs as a single full report? I know there are many sections that are separated into separate files, but is there a "Single Document to Rule Them All"?

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

I didn't realize the Western terminus of the Crosstown will link with the UP Express. I can imagine the traffic on UP will rise significantly once it links to the Crosstown, and further more if Crosstown East is built.

Why would it? Crosstown West going to the airport is a substitute option, not a complement. It is slower but cheaper rapid transit option between downtown and Pearson.

It likely will increase, we might have a better idea of how much if it were not for the fact that there isn't a direct transfer at Bloor due to classical NIMBYism.

My understanding is that it was not The Crossways being NIMBY, it was asking too much. Metrolinx futureproofed their tunnel under the tracks, but told The Crossways to go fly a kite until they came back with a more reasonable price. Frankly, I don't know why Metrolinx does not pursue some kind of expropriation.

So what happens to the Weston stop?

It stays, unfortunately. And that's been the UPX's problem from the beginning; it's not enough of an express train between Union and Pearson. Making a UPX stop at Mt Dennis is not helping much; while a 15 min UPX ride for ~$5.40 ($4.85 Presto) vs. 27 min Crosstown ride for ~$3.25 ($3.00 Presto) seems like it would be an attractive option (especially thanks to TTC fare hikes), it adds time to the total trip between Union and Pearson, which hurts the key segment of UPX ridership.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Why would it? Crosstown West going to the airport is a substitute option, not a complement. It is slower but cheaper rapid transit option between downtown and Pearson.



My understanding is that it was not The Crossways being NIMBY, it was asking too much. Metrolinx futureproofed their tunnel under the tracks, but told The Crossways to go fly a kite until they came back with a more reasonable price. Frankly, I don't know why Metrolinx does not pursue some kind of expropriation.



It stays, unfortunately. And that's been the UPX's problem from the beginning; it's not enough of an express train between Union and Pearson. Making a UPX stop at Mt Dennis is not helping much; while a 15 min UPX ride for ~$5.40 ($4.85 Presto) vs. 27 min Crosstown ride for ~$3.25 ($3.00 Presto) seems like it would be an attractive option (especially thanks to TTC fare hikes), it adds time to the total trip between Union and Pearson, which hurts the key segment of UPX ridership.

So will there be a 3 Stop fare added then?

 

[Tuck]

We haven't heard much since then. I imagine they are working on the plan behind the scenes, so hopefully things are still on track. The two extensions opening a few years later is probably more likely, though the EC itself is still four years away so they do have quite a bit of time. The west end might take longer to build if they are going for isolated sections of grade separation though. The east side seems like a relatively simple affair.

 

[Steve X]

I'd hardly say a 25 minute trip from Union to Pearson is not express.

The term express has no actual specified numerical speed. It is a term for describing relativity and not velocity.

They can add 3 more stops and it will still be faster than taking a bus in rush hour so it's still express.

We haven't heard much since then. I imagine they are working on the plan behind the scenes, so hopefully things are still on track. The two extensions opening a few years later is probably more likely, though the EC itself is still four years away so they do have quite a bit of time. The west end might take longer to build if they are going for isolated sections of grade separation though. The east side seems like a relatively simple affair.

Cut and cover or elevated sections don't take that long. They add a year to the schedule max. Building a 10 story deep launch shaft and then assembly a TBM is a different story.

 

[Palma]

When the crosstown opens, TTC might consider extending the 32A to Pearson which would save people a lot of time oppose to taking the 52A to Lawrence Station and force to take the Yonge line north or south as the 124/162 can't get people to the east end. Taking the UPX would save people 10-15 minutes but a free transfer would be more appealing than $5 additional for two stops on the UPX.

If it does happen, UPX ridership wouldn't go up as much as you expect unless the do some sort of fare integration.

Would people not stay on the crosstown as it heads west to Pearson? I assume Crosstown West goes from WEston Rd to Pearson. Once it's built who will call it west or east. It would be the Crosstown as it will be one continuous line or am I missing something?