Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Rainforest]

We can expect that once LRT is built on Eglinton both east and west of Kennedy, the increase in passenger volume will be more substantial in the west than in the east.

Reason: East of Kennedy, most of the riders have no alternative to mixed-traffic buses. They are already counted as transit users in that corridor as of today. Some increase in the ridership volume will occur due to people switching from driving to transit, and from new highrises along the route, but not much due to the shift from other routes.

But west of Kennedy, it is likely that many potential riders opt to use alternative routes today. For example, if they want to get to the Yonge / Eglinton area, a trip on the Danforth subway and then up Yonge subway may be faster than the one on the slow Eglinton East bus. But once the faster and more reliable LRT line is in place, it will become their fastest option.

If so, then the difference in demand east and west of Kennedy should become smaller once both LRTs open.

Provided that TTC can handle the long combined line without large gaps in service, it is preferable to combine the two routes rather than run them separately.

 

[Johnny Au]

Pretty sure it's a placeholder graphic.

If Metrolinx wanted placeholder graphics, they should not blatantly copy an existing one's.

 

[wilson_wu]

I really hope the Crosstown operates like this.

DAMN! It DOES NOT slow down for intersections. lol

 

[Leo_Chan]

I really hope the Crosstown operates like this.

DAMN! It DOES NOT slow down for intersections. lol

This is basically transit priority to where the lights will change for the LRT when it is a certain distance away from intersection. This is not happening in Toronto anytime soon since we're still very car dependent and there will be a lot of complaints from drivers.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Actually I'm pretty sure that Eglinton is going to have transit priority, that's a big part of what makes it LRT in a Toronto context.

Can you link to anywhere saying that this may happen?

 

[WillTo]

Can you link to anywhere saying that this may happen?

http://www.thecrosstown.ca/the-project/fact-sheets/eglinton-crosstown

"This service will have priority signalling at intersections to ensure certainty in travel times."

 

[Voltz]

Priority can mean several different things.

It could be anything from a well thought out and sophisticated system that ensures a train almost never has to stop at an intersection, to whatever the TTC currently uses on the downtown streetcar lines that can just as often slow service down rather than help it.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Leslie Street intersection still is problematic. If the intersection is congested, what can the LRT with signal priority do if cars are still stuck waiting to make a turn?

 

[Leo_Chan]

Leslie Street intersection still is problematic. If the intersection is congested, what can the LRT with signal priority do if cars are still stuck waiting to make a turn?

Making left turns will probably be only allowed during the left arrow. Just look at how the Highway 7 Rapidway works. However, I think LRT will have priority over left turners.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Priority can mean several different things.

It could be anything from a well thought out and sophisticated system that ensures a train almost never has to stop at an intersection, to whatever the TTC currently uses on the downtown streetcar lines that can just as often slow service down rather than help it.

If the single-occupant automobile still gets to make a left turn before a waiting streetcar or light rail vehicle or even a bus, then it is not transit priority.

I just hope the new general manager of transportation, Barbara Gray, actually goes through with ideas for transportation, where the car is no longer king. See link.

 

[Avenue]

If the single-occupant automobile still gets to make a left turn before a waiting streetcar or light rail vehicle or even a bus, then it is not transit priority.

I just hope the new general manager of transportation, Barbara Gray, actually goes through with ideas for transportation, where the car is no longer king. See link.

Agreed. 'Priority Signaling' on the Crosstown website is defined the in the vaguest way possible; it could really be anything, especially the very same info-graphic also insists that left turns will not be impeded.

I think strong leadership here is vital because this project will either confirm or break the public's skepticism about LRTs in Toronto, for a very long time.

 

[Tuck]

I really hope the Crosstown operates like this.

DAMN! It DOES NOT slow down for intersections. lol

I have almost zero faith in the Eglinton Crosstown operating like this.

 

[Avenue]

A really basic question, which I'm sure has been discussed many times but my search didn't return any results: Is anyone else concerned about station spacing of the grade portion? Aren't Hakimi Lebovic and Ionview really close to the adjacent stations? I understand their point but Hakimi Lebovic has to be 5 minutes at most from the Pharmacy station.

The frequent spacing of these stations combined with the signaling priority/left turns issue makes me anxious about the overall speed of the line.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

The spacing is equal or greater to spacing on Line 2.

 

[Avenue]

The spacing is equal or greater to spacing on Line 2.

There are two additional stations added between Victoria Park and Warden. Same for Warden to Kennedy. As I'm not talking about the Western/tunneled portion, this isn't about simply comparing the blanket averages. Too frequent spacing on at-grade portion brings about very different considerations speed and reliability wise.