Cyrobyte
New Member
They say that because it's all-underground but it's not heavy rail
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Allandale25
Senior Member
It's not all underground.
unrealestate
Active Member
Pathetic to be 5 YEARS behind schedule and still this wishy washy on getting it running
robmausser
Senior Member
I am getting sick of the Ford government being like "this isn't our project, the liberals started it, its their fault" etc etc. Yeah ok, here was your opportunity to take charge and fix things, and all you do is blame the past administration.
evandyk
Senior Member
Be reasonable, they've only had 7 years in government. Give them some time.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
drum118
Superstar
April 8
Counted 3 sets going west playing follow the leader and 2 sets following each other going west with 15 minutes in between them and nothing going eastbound with green signals. All going at a slow speed.
Counted 3 sets going west playing follow the leader and 2 sets following each other going west with 15 minutes in between them and nothing going eastbound with green signals. All going at a slow speed.
Steve X
Senior Member
They have no rights to blame them when they copied their procurement and construction process.
This tunnel first and excavate the station later plan is designed to be a decade long. TTC subway never took this long as they tunnel and excavate at the same time. Now just watch the Scarborough subway extension become their failure.
This cheap tunneling idea is claimed to reduce disruption during tunneling but extends the duration of disruption when evacuation takes so long. They should really go back to the old way and just buy 3 TBMs for Scarborough. Once tunneling is done they would have converted the launch shaft into a station. The digging would have been done always.
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nfitz
Superstar
TTC tunnelled the Spadina extension first, and then dug down, and removed the tunnel segments.
The big issue is how many years after the tunnelling contracts were first issued, to the station contract being issued (4? 5?).
Steve X
Senior Member
The TYSSE had all stations excavated during tunneling as either launch or excavation shafts. There were 4 TBMs that went from one station to another and relocated to start another journey. The tunneling between each station only took around 9 months and by the time they were done tunneling in 2.5 years, it would take roughly another 3 years to build the station from the hole upwards. The roughly takes 5-7 years to build the extension.
Here was how Holey and Moley did their tunneling starting at Downsview Park Station.
End of Tunneling in Toronto for Spadina Subway Extension | UrbanToronto
Tunnelling for the TTC's Spadina Subway Extension has been completed within Toronto's borders as 'Moley' reaches its extraction shaft.
What ML did was tunnel the entire segment from Black Creek to Allen, moved it across the Allen and tunnel to Yonge. Which took 3-4 years. Then they stalled for a whole year to find a consortium to spend another 1.5 years to relocate utilities and dig to the tunnel. Then took 4-5 more years to build the stations. The stations on the Crosstown were also deeper which took longer to dig. Without any delays, the Crosstown would have taken 10 years.
You can even see the Broadway Subway in Vancouver sees the TBM move across pre-excavated station structure instead of tunnel first, then dig. Which is absolutely waste of time just to stall the financial payouts.
Station Construction - Broadway Subway Project
Building the Broadway Subway Stations The Broadway Subway will have six underground stations along the Broadway corridor. Each new station will have at least three levels: the ground level, concourse level and platform level. Station construction is a complex process, with the majority of...
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Doors stuck open?
TOtramz
Active Member
Now that the stations contracts are signed for the SSE, I'm hoping they can start digging at Scarborough centre shortly, and if they start digging at Lawrence East there is plenty of time to spare.
One could hope anyways
Jago88
Active Member
Just following up on this...it looks like new signage has been installed at Mount Dennis...the only changes I can note from the original signs are the GO and UP logos beside the train image
Mind_the_gap
Active Member
FFS, they're still going by the old signage standard, instead of doing things properly!!
That dashed my hopes for Don Valley.
Man, I'm annoyed by this inconsistency!
That dashed my hopes for Don Valley.
Contra
Senior Member
Train and LRT icons don't follow Metrolinx wayfinding guidelines. GO and UP icons don't match design standards. What a mess. They even use Mount Dennis as an example in the guidelines 