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Without a complete re-think............

My Eaton-Centre fix-it would be as follows:

1) Restore the original railings

2) Put back the trees

3) Put back the original Yonge-Dundas entrance, including vegetation and water features.

4) Have Nordstrom occupy the entire footprint of the original Eaton's, on the 3 floors on which it operates. It feels too tiny for the space of 'flagship/anchor store'.

In the non-restoration section:

1) Build a full glass arcade east-west on the Albert Street alignment from Yonge to Albert Street. (photo below shows the outline)

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2) Enlarge the Indigo (It's seriously over-crowded, having absorbed the customer base of World's Biggest Bookstore and to a lesser degree, Chapters Festival Hall.

Expand the lower level to the same sized footprint as the upper level; include a full-set of internal escalators.

3) Make that Albert Street corner an intersection of secondary anchors, where the 2 arcades would meet.

Consider moving H&M to one corner, Samsung to another, and Uniqlo to the last. Have them all be the flagship locations for the City.

4) Remove the Yonge Street faux facade, build the 2 new anchors out to the street, with direct-street and in-mall access.

5) Have all the other Yonge-facing storefronts become restaurants with Yonge Street - only access; room for patios.

6) Level the Dundas Parkade Block. Move Cineplex back across the street to its original home, but with a flagship location with integrated restaurants facing Dundas at street level and an old-style
movie Marquee anchoring the new entrance to the Cinema on the 2nd level up.

Have the cinema take design cues from Paramount/Festival Hall/Scotiabank and have huge picture windows facing out to the City on both the Dundas and Bay frontages with 2-way vision glass allowing a vibrant interior to engage the outside and vice versa.


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Upgrading the arched glass roof would be welcomed. Curved glass with a built in programmable LED system would be a showstopper. Think how over the top amazing it would be to have light shows streaming down its length. One could have special ones for Christmas, Canada Day, PrideWeek, Nuit Blanche, Halloween, etc. The current glass roof is wonderful but it could be elevated to that of an art installation.

I've heard many a first time tourist to the Eaton Centre just a little bit let down to discover that this hyped Toronto place is really just a big shopping mall. Perhaps it's time we help turn it into something more than just a mall.
 

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I've heard many a first time tourist to the Eaton Centre just a little bit let down to discover that this hyped Toronto place is really just a big shopping mall. Perhaps it's time we help turn it into something more than just a mall.
That's what 10 Dundas was for...until well we saw what happened there.
 
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Upgrading the arched glass roof would be welcomed. Curved glass with a built in programmable LED system would be a showstopper. Think how over the top amazing it would be to have light shows streaming down its length. One could have special ones for Christmas, Canada Day, PrideWeek, Nuit Blanche, Halloween, etc. The current glass roof is wonderful but it could be elevated to that of an art installation.

I've heard many a first time tourist to the Eaton Centre just a little bit let down to discover that this hyped Toronto place is really just a big shopping mall. Perhaps it's time we help turn it into something more than just a mall.

Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD
 

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Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD

I suppose I wouldn't suggest visiting the Eaton Centre to a tourist wanting to go site seeing, but people do shop while on vacation, and so I might suggest it as a way to check shopping off that list.
 

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Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD

I could not agree more AoD. Yonge and Dundas Square is an unmitigated disaster much like the stretch of Yonge from Bloor to Queen with all the dilapidated buildings and shops.

That being said however, the Eaton Centre is really the only place for tourists to shop that does not involve schlepping to Yorkdale, STC or Fairview. Yorkville is only good if said tourists have more money than brains.
 

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Without a complete re-think............

My Eaton-Centre fix-it would be as follows:

1) Restore the original railings

2) Put back the trees

3) Put back the original Yonge-Dundas entrance, including vegetation and water features.

4) Have Nordstrom occupy the entire footprint of the original Eaton's, on the 3 floors on which it operates. It feels too tiny for the space of 'flagship/anchor store'.

In the non-restoration section:

1) Build a full glass arcade east-west on the Albert Street alignment from Yonge to Albert Street. (photo below shows the outline)

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2) Enlarge the Indigo (It's seriously over-crowded, having absorbed the customer base of World's Biggest Bookstore and to a lesser degree, Chapters Festival Hall.

Expand the lower level to the same sized footprint as the upper level; include a full-set of internal escalators.

3) Make that Albert Street corner an intersection of secondary anchors, where the 2 arcades would meet.

Consider moving H&M to one corner, Samsung to another, and Uniqlo to the last. Have them all be the flagship locations for the City.

4) Remove the Yonge Street faux facade, build the 2 new anchors out to the street, with direct-street and in-mall access.

5) Have all the other Yonge-facing storefronts become restaurants with Yonge Street - only access; room for patios.

6) Level the Dundas Parkade Block. Move Cineplex back across the street to its original home, but with a flagship location with integrated restaurants facing Dundas at street level and an old-style
movie Marquee anchoring the new entrance to the Cinema on the 2nd level up.

Have the cinema take design cues from Paramount/Festival Hall/Scotiabank and have huge picture windows facing out to the City on both the Dundas and Bay frontages with 2-way vision glass allowing a vibrant interior to engage the outside and vice versa.


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Just my 2 cents.
Albert-St. glass arcade all the way through to Yonge St: YES!
 

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Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD
I know for some, including my partner, the walk from the The Bay through the Wilkinson Eyre bridge and then opening up to the tall ceilings and Canada geese installation is quite a "wow" moment. For those who've never seen it there's still some charm but those with an architectural eye for detail or have had to experience it as a crowded, pain in the ass it's a different story.

All to say, never discredit the world through someone's fresh, naive eyes!
 

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Upgrading the arched glass roof would be welcomed. Curved glass with a built in programmable LED system would be a showstopper. Think how over the top amazing it would be to have light shows streaming down its length. One could have special ones for Christmas, Canada Day, PrideWeek, Nuit Blanche, Halloween, etc. The current glass roof is wonderful but it could be elevated to that of an art installation.
Like Fremont Street in Las Vegas
 

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Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD
I don’t get people who complain like this and still either live or work there. Cause as some one who rarely comes into the city it’s a nice treat to have a nice square sure it could use some help. But it’s hardly embarrassing. And many find those same places quite enjoyable. People go on about time square like it’s this amazing place. I’ve been there it’s just screens and advertising. At least Toronto thought to make there’s a more intimate square not surrounded by taxis or like your in a canyon. Eatons centre needs to pick a skin on the outside that will work for decades. And maybe refreshed the glass canopy thing. Sorry can’t think of what that’s called. As for people there well of course. It’s a major mall in the downtown of a city. If you live or choose to work in the city then you’d be mentally prepared for that lifestyle no?
 

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Upgrading the arched glass roof would be welcomed. Curved glass with a built in programmable LED system would be a showstopper. Think how over the top amazing it would be to have light shows streaming down its length. One could have special ones for Christmas, Canada Day, PrideWeek, Nuit Blanche, Halloween, etc. The current glass roof is wonderful but it could be elevated to that of an art installation.

I've heard many a first time tourist to the Eaton Centre just a little bit let down to discover that this hyped Toronto place is really just a big shopping mall. Perhaps it's time we help turn it into something more than just a mall.
It's probably a case of resting on your laurals. It's a shame - the Centre was a big deal when it opened but over the years each succesive renovation seemed to cheapen and dull the place. They renovated the " there " right out of it. If this is still a tourist attraction, Toronto has really down shifted.
 

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It's probably a case of resting on your laurals. It's a shame - the Centre was a big deal when it opened but over the years each succesive renovation seemed to cheapen and dull the place. They renovated the " there " right out of it. If this is still a tourist attraction, Toronto has really down shifted.

Standardization is the enemy of originality.

Large-scale corporate ownership of similar real estate assets (be it offices, malls or apartments) is the friend of standardization.

The domination of retail by too few players likewise blands the list of retailers inhabiting a space; eliminating the unique choices of a more diverse web of businesses.

In books; WH Smith was not Coles; Chapters was not Indigo; now they are all one.

The same phenomenon in fashion, food and housewares leads to ever less interesting spaces.
 

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That's what 10 Dundas was for...until well we saw what happened there.

Well there's something to be said for execution. With 10 Dundas they forgot to design a proper building. They'll have to tear that thing down eventually. It's a dud.
 

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Quite frankly Y+D/Eaton Centre is the *last* place I would recommend tourist going. It's embarrassingly awful.

AoD

The reality is that practically every tourist to Toronto ends up there at least once. It's become the heart of the city whether we want it to be or not. We need to accept what kind of a space it is (over the top commercialism, video screens, etc.) and ensure it's as best version of that it can be. Throwing in the towel isn't very helpful.

Besides, Toronto belongs to EVERYONE and Toronto's trump card is diversity. It would be an excruciatingly boring city if it all catered to the preferences of one segment of society. Dundas Square/Eaton Centre very much has a place in Toronto. It's arguably one of the most photographed spots in the whole country. Ignoring its popularity is rather pointless. If some people don't like this area that's fine and I can think of huge swaths of Toronto that are far more embarrassing. 95% of our arterial roads, for instance. Queen, Danforth, Yonge (north of Dundas), Bathurst, Parliament, Jarvis, Spadina, Eglinton, St.Clair, Bloor beyond the Mink Mile, etc.

They're interesting streets but extremely embarrassing at the same time. They're a ramshackle mess. Just gross.
 
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