robmausser
Senior Member
Is it just me or have the TBM's been flying recently?
Must be really soft sandy stuff.
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Is it just me or have the TBM's been flying recently?
Must be really soft sandy stuff.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Must have since there hasnt been any complaints by nimbys recently lol
ehlow
Senior Member
Lots of demolishing soon at future stations
BurlOak
Senior Member
Metrolinx must be playing some type of cruel joke on Etobicoke. Either people will discover what I going on and demand Subways, subways, subways, or smarter heads will prevail and Mx will add grade-separation, or people will not pay attention and Mx can sneak it through. If they continue to do unpopular things, it's bound to bite them back as it did with SRT and SELRT.
Palma
Senior Member
I still can't figure out how it will work as the map is small but sounds crazy.
I was at a meeting the councillor for Ward 11 and 12 had last night at the Civic Centre on Eglinton, along with staff and Metrolinx. Apparently they did confirm that the Crosstown west LRT is to run in the middle as presently planned. Residents at the meeting last night appeared to be from Mount Dennis (Ward 11) and were not happy about that.
Nor were they happy about the back up electrical power plant (for Crosstown) to be build and perhaps there would be pressure for another plant for the electrification for the UPX tracks. The view was why greener technology such as solar panels , etc was not being used and why they are so behind what is happening in other jurisdictions and countries.
No wonder why they made up the majority of people it seems. I still refuse to believe these community meetings ever change anything the majority of the time. perhaps only in areas where residents are very involved
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Did they say why it needed to be in the centre of the road, rather than side?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I don't think community meetings should ever change policy directions, largely because the meetings only represent the people who had the means to attend those meetings. You see this reflected in the demographics of who attends these meetings: generally 65+ and white.
nfitz
Superstar
Generally, you don't want at the side, because of all the extra signals, and road crossings. Look at how many more signals there on Queens Quay now it's on the side, instead of in the centre.
However, I thought we'd seen more recent plans than this that elevated it through the Jane intersection, with an elevated SRT-like station, simply because of the geography. Maybe I'm thinking of Black Creek though - there have been too may versions of this ...
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
That's all being looked at behind the scenes, but nothing concrete has leaked out yet.
crs1026
Superstar
Hey, go easy on us older guys, I haven't hit that milestone yet (though I may look it). ;-)
My guesstimate of the demographics at these meetings would be more like about one-third crotchety old folks, one third organized residents' groups, and one-third transit geeks. I challenge your statement that there was no diversity. That's why there are meetings all over the city.
The residents' groups are the most articulate, but not necessarily the most enlightened. The transit geeks are the least articulate at the microphone. Everyone likes the free coffee and cookies - word gets around. If people in a democracy come out and speak, we should respect them for that.
As to the merits of what @Palma reported,
- the backup power plant is overkill. Today was proof that power outages are inconvenient, but not that frequent, and not that crippling. Had Crosstown been running today, it would not have shut down, even without the generator. Multiple feed points is all it needs.
- the left turn recommendations in the EA are sufficiently extreme that they deserve full discussion. People don't have to be traffic analysts to look at the maps and go "whaaaa?". When you look at how left turns at major intersections are changed, it's not a local residents' issue - it affects through traffic.
I did a bit of back of envelope scribbling today. It's 6.6 km from Weston Road to the East Mall. At the projected speed of 28 kph, the travel time is 850 seconds between those points. There are 11 signalled intersections today, and the U turn lanes add more. The data in the traffic study suggested that it takes 31 seconds for an LRT to recover from a full stop at a red light. If you assume there will be more red lights, and use 31 seconds to estimate the delay at some percentage of these, it doesn't take many more lights before you eat up much of the 850 seconds. If you assume more than 6-7 stops, this adds dwell time. The left turns that are being converted to U-turns already have heavy volume. The amount of time that cars making U turns will spend crossing LRT tracks is significant, meaning that even with traffic priority there will be conflict with LRT.
It doesn't take much for the result to be a longer travel time. That makes the LRT a poorer performer.
Never mind what the residents think - if you want this LRT to succeed, you need to be very concerned about how feasible this traffic plan is. It could kill overall speed.
- Paul
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Palma
Senior Member
They said they could consider other alignment when asked if it had to be in the middle but I don't think they explained why. And I really do not believe they will consider a side road route. A resident asked if it could be put on south side (guess she was implying LRTs going in opposite direction would be on one side only and Metrolinx replied or the north side but they will not put both on one side of the road. If they thought side alignment was a good idea they would have shown options for both middle and side and explained the advantages and disadv
Palma
Senior Member
They did say it could not be underground going west from Black Creek because of a steep hill, Eglinton Flats and also having to go below Black Creek but that perhaps at certain areas (I am assuming intersections) it could go underground.
The other concern was lack of parking at stations and that people would park in neighboring streets and that Crosstown west should go ahead so that perhaps parking could be put at Martingrove
salsa
Senior Member
Are we seriously gonna keep debating the viability of a north side alignment? It ain't happening.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Are we seriously gonna keep debating the viability of a north side alignment? It ain't happening.
I know why WE think it can't be done, but I want to know what the planners thought about it, since they are considering it.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Should we only listen to those who don't take the time to attend? Though maybe we do that already since a petition from condo residents scared Jaye Robinson so much that we ended up getting a stupid stop at Leslie.
I've been to a bunch of meetings (never in Etobicoke I confess), and the demographics you describe don't reflect reality.