Johnny Au
Senior Member
That would be in history textbooks. Harris would go down in history as among the worst Ontario premiers (along with Wynne's sale of Hydro One).
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BurlOak
Senior Member
The tough part is that if you are mad at Harris for cancelling the subway, then you must be opposed to the current LRT - because if Harris did not cancel it, then LRT would not be possible.
Alternatively, you can be happy that Harris cancelled the subway to allow LRT to be built.
The only people who have a right to be mad at Harris are those who think Eglinton should have been built as subway in its entirety.
Alternatively, you can be happy that Harris cancelled the subway to allow LRT to be built.
The only people who have a right to be mad at Harris are those who think Eglinton should have been built as subway in its entirety.
salsa
Senior Member
Lest we forget.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Is it not fair to say that the LRT currently being built for Crosstown - 90m trains of low floor LRVs - was not an available option during the Harris era Eglinton project?
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Why? The two are separated by years of time. If the subway was in place, Toronto transit decisions would be very different now. That's nonsensical.
TheTigerMaster
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And what about people who think LRT or subway would've been fine on Eglinton?
The world isn't binary
Hopkins123
Senior Member
A subway across Eglinton would have been better in the long term but likely would have remained a "stubway" like on Sheppard due to the prohibitively higher capital costs and would be less likely of having as many stations en route making it of less local benefit.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The Eglinton subway would probably have been extended to at least Don Mills by 2020.
Bojaxs
Active Member
Can the Eglinton LRT be upgraded to a subway in the future?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The LRT would be l-o-n-g-e-r. When the "Eglinton Subway" was first "started", it was to be built from Eglinton West to Black Creek (York Centre Station). The current underground LRT is m-u-c-h longer.
Don't forget there will be a Finch West LRT and a Sheppard East LRT... allegedly.
MetroMan
Senior Member
Exactly. I prefer a rapidly expanding extensive network of LRTs than decades in waiting subway extensions. The city will work well with a subway spine complemented by a network of LRTs bisecting it and small buses to reach into neighbourhoods that can't yet justify either.
ehlow
Senior Member
Not to mention we're talking about underground LRT and underground subway.
The original Eglinton subway would've been 1/3 the length of the currently built tunnel and not cover dense areas like Yonge-Eglinton. So we're getting a tunnel triple the length in one go now. Huge increase in the amount of underground transit.
howl
Active Member
No. The station platforms are too short. They are only about a third the length of a subway platform.
It's likely that if the Eglinton West Subway had of been built back in the 1990's it would connect to the airport by now; and by this time we would be building, or planning to build, an extension east towards Kennedy.
crs1026
Superstar
This is a bit too much coulda, woulda, shoulda for me.
The big thing to imagine is what would have happened to development along Eglinton, had there been a subway by now. And what that might have pulled away from the development elsewhere. Especially since it would have been done under an earlir planning regime. I can't say what would have been different, but I suspect we might hate it already. Let's hope we get it right after Crosstown.
In the Harris era, web graphics were a lot more primitive. There would not have been a cool project tracker giving weekly updates. That's half the fun these days
- Paul
The big thing to imagine is what would have happened to development along Eglinton, had there been a subway by now. And what that might have pulled away from the development elsewhere. Especially since it would have been done under an earlir planning regime. I can't say what would have been different, but I suspect we might hate it already. Let's hope we get it right after Crosstown.
In the Harris era, web graphics were a lot more primitive. There would not have been a cool project tracker giving weekly updates. That's half the fun these days
- Paul
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
No email either. The people who apparently won't stop bothering the person who updates the TBM tracker will have to go to their office daily, rather than sending off dozens of emails demanding updates.