Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[stevedean]

Agree, but the same question..... did ML buy a proven product or was this custom designed during the project execution?

- Paul

Exactly!
You're telling me, there is no LRT system like this in the world? Even in Canada, are there not above/below ground systems in Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa?
We really had to create a brand new system for the very special Eglinton...

 

[unrealestate]

The line runs automated in its grade-separated right-of-way underground/elevated (Automatic Train Operation or ATO), and once it emerges at Laird, it switches to manual control since it runs on street (Automatic Train Protection or ATP). Transitioning between the two systems on one line mid-service I believe is somewhat unconventional and is probably behind some of the headaches.

having a section above ground and not grade separated was such an idiotic decision

 

[DSC]

This headline on CP24 really sums it all up! Certainly good new that it COULD open in 2025!

Eglinton Crosstown LRT could open in 2025, Metrolinx CEO teases

There may be light at the end of the tunnel for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. Metrolinx CEO Phil Verster provided an update on the over-budget, long-delayed project on Thursday at a board meeting, saying the Crown corporation is pushing towards a 2025 opening date.

www.cp24.com

 

[Bojaxs]

having a section above ground and not grade separated was such an idiotic decision

Hear, hear!

EDIT: Hopefully sometime in the future we can consider converting the entire Eglinton line to the same standards as the Ontario line. Including grade separating the "Golden Mile" stretch.

 

[smallspy]

Can someone explain this to me like I'm a 5 year old - why do we need to come up with new software for what should be a pretty basic LRT system? Are there not other LRT systems that we could leverage the software from?
Is there anything really special with how Line 1 or Line 2 that made the training time so much less?
It seems like we're trying to reinvent the wheel on something that didn't need it.

It's not new.

This is an off-the-shelf product that then gets modified to suit the system that it is running on. It may also require specific changes to suit the particular hardware that it is running on or interfacing with (different signal vendors, axle counters, dealing with phase harmonics, etc.) but all-in-all it starts out as a standard suite of parts.

Now, that said, it is not the same system as used on the subway, or was used on the SRT. So the training is also a little different, although mainly because of a change in terminology.

For the record, the training time - 30 days per class - is the exact same amount of training as on the subway or SRT.

Dan

 

[smallspy]

Agree, but the same question..... did ML buy a proven product or was this custom designed during the project execution?

- Paul

Off-the-shelf proven product that needs to be modified to suit the local needs, standards and regulations.

This is the same idea as the Alstom system that has been installed on the subway, although that was trickier and more complex as it was installed over an existing system as it operated.

Dan

 

[stevedean]

For the record, the training time - 30 days per class - is the exact same amount of training as on the subway or SRT.

Help me understand this one - has training not been going on for months already? How many batches of drivers do they need to train?
How is it that in the 50s/60s they only needed 1 month of training TOTAL - and now it takes months upon months with no official date given.

 

[drum118]

Happen to see a 2 car train at Black Creek today heading to the yard. It was doing about 10km making the turn into the yard off the mainline and real slow doing so..

 

[Coolibop]

I would remind everyone that the software issues did not take that long to fix, nor were the big holdup on the project. All eyes on any slowdown are immensely amplified at this juncture; it sounds pretty routine/manageable.

Agree, but the same question..... did ML buy a proven product or was this custom designed during the project execution?

- Paul

The answer from Metrolinx would most certainly be 'YES'.

 

[stevedean]

I would remind everyone that the software issues did not take that long to fix, nor were the big holdup on the project. All eyes on any slowdown are immensely amplified at this juncture; it sounds pretty routine/manageable.


The answer from Metrolinx would most certainly be 'YES'.

Software issues were mentioned all the way back in March: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/major-co...urance-issues-outstanding-metrolinx-1.6821701