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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

nfitz said:
Other than it being 300 metres (or more depending where the bus stops) from the subway station.

They should extend the subway another stop, to get to the GO terminal. :)
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Even better -they will extend the subway to Cloverdale and none of the Miway/GO bus routes will need to come that far east.

I keep saying, Kipling Terminal is the best Farmers' Market venue that 2035 will ever need..

- PUl
 
smallspy said:
That's dependent on the layout of the station. I would have hoped that they had built separate entrances/access to the GO and UPX platforms, but I honestly don't know if that's the case.

It's also dependent on the station getting all of its final sign-offs and approvals making it ready to be occupied and used. Considering how opaque Metrolinx has been about this project, we don't even know if that is the case.

Dan
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There are no known structural or Building Code issues with Mount Dennis or Caledonia stations that would prevent them from being used as GO stations. Even if the LRT can't be used, they could still get occupancy approved for the station buildings if they wanted to (so that they could be used as GO stations).

But I suspect that they don't care. The government wants flashy grand-opening ceremonies showing shiny new stations full of people. You need the LRT to be open to really get people through the doors of these stations. The practical needs of residents, small businesses, and transit users don't matter that much as optics.
 
junctionist said:
There are no known structural or Building Code issues with Mount Dennis or Caledonia stations that would prevent them from being used as GO stations. Even if the LRT can't be used, they could still get occupancy approved for the station buildings if they wanted to (so that they could be used as GO stations).
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I agree, I don't understand why Mount Dennis GO is in an unfinished state. By now, it ought to be ready for use.

But Caledonia GO doesn't exist - hasn't been built yet. The Crosstown station has no connection to the tracks yet, and there is no platform at all.

- Paul
 
duty free said:
i know you're being facetious. do i really need to enlighten you or should obvious things just remain obvious?
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It's not obvious at all. Everyone has their own Boogie man that they blame for everything because the thought of an issue being complex and multi faceted is unthinkable. I want to know which one is yours.
 
junctionist said:
There are no known structural or Building Code issues with Mount Dennis or Caledonia stations that would prevent them from being used as GO stations. Even if the LRT can't be used, they could still get occupancy approved for the station buildings if they wanted to (so that they could be used as GO stations).
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Sure, there are no "known" issues.

But we also don't have a list of which stations have reached the ability to be safely occupied other than the two or three they've listed on Twitter. A number of 75% of the total is not a list.

And whether you want to believe it or not, the layout of the building counts. Buildings need to have emergency egress points and firefighter accesses. There also needs to be separations between active and inactive parts of the building. We just don't know if it is ready, and if the separations are possible.

junctionist said:
But I suspect that they don't care. The government wants flashy grand-opening ceremonies showing shiny new stations full of people. You need the LRT to be open to really get people through the doors of these stations. The practical needs of residents, small businesses, and transit users don't matter that much as optics.
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Of course it is. All higher-tier transit here is inherently political.

But that doesn't mean that we can go ahead and pretend that everything is okay or ready to go when we just don't know.

And maybe that's the bigger problem. Metrolinx just doesn't want to give us those kinds of details.

Dan
 
T3G said:
It's not obvious at all. Everyone has their own Boogie man that they blame for everything because the thought of an issue being complex and multi faceted is unthinkable. I want to know which one is yours.
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Are you referring to this specific project or just 21st century mass transit projects in general?
 
Via a CityNews reporter covering today's Metrolinx board meeting where Crosstown LRT was discussed (thread):

- "Physical construction is complete"
- System integration testing is 84 per cent, a year ago it was below 10
- 5/46 certificates on the design and work received, "many" in development
- 36/40 occupancy certificates received
- "Stress test" done at the end of July, 75 per cent of the fleet ran in 28 different formations over four days straight
- Tests "weren't perfect" but went "exceptionally well," "lots of learning, things to fix"
- Led to the beginning of LRT operator training in mid-August
- "Infrastructure readiness was always the issue under dispute that had to be fixed, particularly the signalling and train control system"
- 8th version of signalling software system issued to "improve the operationality as well as the safety and punctuality of the system"
- Latest software needed for revenue service demonstration "later in the year"
- Opening date will be announced three months ahead of first customer service date (repeated in recent months)
- No date provided now (based on the above, opening likely won't happen before 2025)
- Emergency services milestone test held earlier in September, train stopped outside Laird station in the tunnel, simulated an evacuation of riders, up to 16 procedures tested, called it "really successful"
- "This is steady as she goes"

Another executive spoke on training:
- At the end of July, all 29 trainers finished the "train the trainer" program
- "Full swing" of training for 95 TTC operators, divided into three cohorts
- "Deep into training" of the first cohort, will follow with other two cohorts
 
Allandale25 said:
Via a CityNews reporter covering today's Metrolinx board meeting where Crosstown LRT was discussed (thread):

- "Physical construction is complete"
- System integration testing is 84 per cent, a year ago it was below 10
- 5/46 certificates on the design and work received, "many" in development
- 36/40 occupancy certificates received
- "Stress test" done at the end of July, 75 per cent of the fleet ran in 28 different formations over four days straight
- Tests "weren't perfect" but went "exceptionally well," "lots of learning, things to fix"
- Led to the beginning of LRT operator training in mid-August
- "Infrastructure readiness was always the issue under dispute that had to be fixed, particularly the signalling and train control system"
- 8th version of signalling software system issued to "improve the operationality as well as the safety and punctuality of the system"
- Latest software needed for revenue service demonstration "later in the year"
- Opening date will be announced three months ahead of first customer service date (repeated in recent months)
- No date provided now (based on the above, opening likely won't happen before 2025)
- Emergency services milestone test held earlier in September, train stopped outside Laird station in the tunnel, simulated an evacuation of riders, up to 16 procedures tested, called it "really successful"
- "This is steady as she goes"

Another executive spoke on training:
- At the end of July, all 29 trainers finished the "train the trainer" program
- "Full swing" of training for 95 TTC operators, divided into three cohorts
- "Deep into training" of the first cohort, will follow with other two cohorts
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Went through the surface section on the 34 between 11:45 am and 12:15 pm. Saw at least 7 "Training Car" sets on the surface section
 
Allandale25 said:
Another executive spoke on training:
- At the end of July, all 29 trainers finished the "train the trainer" program
- "Full swing" of training for 95 TTC operators, divided into three cohorts
- "Deep into training" of the first cohort, will follow with other two cohorts
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Sounds like about 6 to 8 weeks per cohort then. So optimistically finish training by year end? Then 3 months of trial running? So April 20th board? Maybe a bit earlier as Easter is late next year. Perhaps May 11 is more likely.

Have they started training on Finch yet? Looks like Eglinton is going first.
 
nfitz said:
Sounds like about 6 to 8 weeks per cohort then. So optimistically finish training by year end? Then 3 months of trial running? So April 20th board? Maybe a bit earlier as Easter is late next year. Perhaps May 11 is more likely.

Have they started training on Finch yet? Looks like Eglinton is going first.
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The first train the trainer didn't last 6-8 weeks
 
nfitz said:
Sounds like about 6 to 8 weeks per cohort then. So optimistically finish training by year end? Then 3 months of trial running? So April 20th board? Maybe a bit earlier as Easter is late next year. Perhaps May 11 is more likely.

Have they started training on Finch yet? Looks like Eglinton is going first.
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10/15 trainers are trained for Finch West. TTC to validate the operator training program and operator training for Finch West will begin in the fall.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1834252528944365842
 
One thing about the operator training.....

Despite the fact that the nomenclature and equipment is different, the two lines are being considered equal and equivalent from an operational perspective.

The first pair of classes is not being trained on the Finch West Line yet. The second may, but it's still unknown at this point. The third almost certainly will get trained on both lines simultaneously.

It is felt that one pair of classes should be enough to allow the service on Finch West to start, as it will use far fewer crews than Eglinton. The first pair (or maybe first two pairs) will then cycle through a reduced period of training to give them clearance on Finch West as well at a later date - which may or may not occur after the line opens.

Dan
 
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