stevensontransit
New Member
Does that signal it could at least open at February 2025 at the latest?
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jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
There are still 4 occupancy permits outstanding. We only know that Eglinton station is one of them that leaves 3 that could be anywhere on the line. Those missing permits could very much be in that short section for all we know
smallspy
Senior Member
No, he's not serious. Because actually considering it at this time would be a huge mistake.
When lines are opened in stages, it's because they were either planned to from the beginning (see the Bloor-Danforth line), or the decision was made early enough in the design and construction process that doing so was not detrimental to the rest of the project (see the Yonge North extensions).
In this case, the line has been designed and built from the outset as one integrated system, and the testing is proceeding as such. The decision to open the line in sections would have had to have occurred a long, long time ago so that the installation, implementation and testing of all of the various sub-systems that exist on the line could have also happened in a staged manner. To do it now would thus require new testing to ensure that the portions of the line could operate as such, and that the sub-systems installed on the other sections not opened wouldn't negatively affect the rest of it.
And that ship has long since sailed.
Dan
nfitz
Superstar
I'd think, that the decision to start training all the operators, means they are back on a firm schedule, and have a planned opening date in mind.
Isn't there any indication in historic documents what the opening timeframe was? Presumably there's a box that says X days to train all operators, then Y days of trial running. I'm not sure if there's anything critical path in between those two items
Admiral Beez
Superstar
There should be no public unknowns at this stage.
What the public needs is a transparent and clearly conveyed report on what the issues are, what is being done to address them, and most importantly a hard date for completion and open. No project ever gets to have an open ended, no restrictions completion date. Pick a date and build backwards what you need to get it done. We're digging a transit line, not a Mars mission.
nfitz
Superstar
There's huge transparency on NASA's Mars plans. And a fixed timeline (that yes, does change) on the upcoming Lunar missions and Lunar space station.
We are nowhere close to that kind of transparency on Eglinton and even Finch.
crs1026
Superstar
As much as there ought to be plenty of necks wrung over this project, I am pretty confident that the major issues and delays didn’t happen until well after this notional decision point.
And, since we don’t really know where the deficiencies and delays crept in, we don’t know which parts of the system might have been capable of standalone opening. It may have alwaya been harder than people imagine.
Hindsight is 20-20
- Paul
urbancog
Active Member
The August 2021 Google Streetview imagery for Eglinton at the Brentcliffe Portal, looks like they captured a six-car ELRT consist.
But, on closer inspection it's 3 separate 2-car sets parked up. Would that be the period when testing was taking place on the overground section and the western underground section while construction continued around Yonge/Eglinton?
But, on closer inspection it's 3 separate 2-car sets parked up. Would that be the period when testing was taking place on the overground section and the western underground section while construction continued around Yonge/Eglinton?
LairdOfTheNorth
New Member
Updated on the website
Couldn’t find a pdf or additional information.
Eglinton Crosstown LRT.What We're Building
Learn more about the stops and structures being built on the Eglinton Crosstown LRT.
www.metrolinx.com
Couldn’t find a pdf or additional information.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Wtf.... 8% AT THIS STAGE?! What's holding them back?! Also that 20% on operator training is a bit concerning. If it took them that long since the start if summer to get to 20% who know how long it'll take to get the rest of the 80. Do they need 100% on this in order to open and will trg speed up as more operators get through?Updated on the website
Eglinton Crosstown LRT.What We're Building
Learn more about the stops and structures being built on the Eglinton Crosstown LRT.www.metrolinx.com
Couldn’t find a pdf or additional information.
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nfitz
Superstar
I'm not sure the issue - it's not like they are going anywhere. And it wouldn't effect opening.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Well if verster is using that metric to make his grand announcement to open we are in for a long long wait
nfitz
Superstar
Why would he? That would mean opening before he says anything.
How many months (years?) after the TYSSE was finished before all the certificates were completed?
cplchanb
Senior Member
How about operator time then. If it took 3+ months to get to 20% seat time that means take another year to get to 100% unless things speed up very soon
crs1026
Superstar
That metric measures seat time for trainers and operators. We know that trainers are a small proportion of the total seat time. They are now pretty much fully trained, so that is likely the bulk of the 20 %. We know that operator training - a much larger number of seat hours - is now under way. I would expect this statistic to change dramatically in a short time. Nothing bad to see here, folks.
- Paul