Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[MrGoose]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496139490708135938

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In 20 years we’re going to shut down the eastern half of the line for 5 years to properly grade separate the line and spend another 10 billion dollars to do so.

Let’s spend all this money to build a subway under the central East west avenue across the city, except we’re going to gimp it by using medium not high capacity vehicles and not grade separating it.

 

[innsertnamehere]

the map shows only peak hour service to Hamilton but yet also shows Confederation GO completed.. Interesting map.

 

[cplchanb]

In 20 years we’re going to shut down the eastern half of the line for 5 years to properly grade separate the line and spend another 10 billion dollars to do so.

Let’s spend all this money to build a subway under the central East west avenue across the city, except we’re going to gimp it by using medium not high capacity vehicles and not grade separating it.

call me ignorant, but how does the map indicate its a streetcar?

 

[W. K. Lis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496139490708135938

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Not a "streetcar line"...

 

[W. K. Lis]

In 20 years we’re going to shut down the eastern half of the line for 5 years to properly grade separate the line and spend another 10 billion dollars to do so.

Let’s spend all this money to build a subway under the central East west avenue across the city, except we’re going to gimp it by using medium not high capacity vehicles and not grade separating it.

In 20 years, Toronto will convert its downtown streets into "transit malls". Not just streetcar transit malls, but bus transit malls. Expect deliveries during certain times.

From link.

 

[ARG1]

Not a "streetcar line"...

I shouldn't be explaining this...

There's a pretty big difference between this:

and this:

 

[ARG1]

call me ignorant, but how does the map indicate its a streetcar?

Notice the white line traveling in the middle of the Orange line from Laird to Kennedy: This indicates that this is a streetcar style service - specifically done so that people don't look at this map, and expect subway quality service from the line.

Also notice how the station dots are much smaller, and so is the font used for their names, showcasing how these are "minor stations".

 

[W. K. Lis]

How about neighbourhood or community area maps? One that shows the streets & blocks, stores, schools, medical, parks, community centres, and other destinations up to the next station or stop?

If a business wants their store name to be shown on the map, they can pay the TTC for the privilege. A small store (IE. like a "Kims Convince") may pay $100 a year, while a Walmart big store may pay $1,000,000 per year. (Examples only. Don't know what the real price would be.) Schools, parks, and community centres, would be free.

 

[W. K. Lis]

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Notice the white line traveling in the middle of the Orange line from Laird to Kennedy: This indicates that this is a streetcar style service - specifically done so that people don't look at this map, and expect subway quality service from the line.

Also notice how the station dots are much smaller, and so is the font used for their names, showcasing how these are "minor stations".

What is "streetcar style"? Less than 10 minute service (even though some US subway or metro have theirs at 10 minutes)? No it is not. Maybe not full transit priority at traffic signals, because the decision makers said so, even though it is possible?

 

[marcus_a_j]

That doesn't mean it's a streetcar style service like the 501, 504, etc. I don't see those lines on the map.

 

[ARG1]

What is "streetcar style"? Less than 10 minute service (even though some US subway or metro have theirs at 10 minutes)? No it is not. Maybe not full transit priority at traffic signals, because the decision makers said so, even though it is possible?

Streetcar style as in the operate on street and interact with traffic (its not mixed traffic operations, but it still crosses streets and obeys traffic lights). If the intersections were completely gated where the trains had absolute priority (beyond TSP), maybe you can argue that its something more than streetcar style, but as it stands its basically no different from a european tram.

That doesn't mean it's a streetcar style service like the 501, 504, etc. I don't see those lines on the map.

Its a similar service to the 510/509, and honestly, if Line 5 and Line 6 appear on the map, those 2 lines should as well. Differentiating the 2 makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[cplchanb]

What is "streetcar style"? Less than 10 minute service (even though some US subway or metro have theirs at 10 minutes)? No it is not. Maybe not full transit priority at traffic signals, because the decision makers said so, even though it is possible?

Is this a case of UT putting words in MLs mouth? Is that a universal style for streetcar routes or is it symbolic of surface grade transit?

 

[W. K. Lis]

Is this a case of UT putting words in MLs mouth? Is that a universal style for streetcar routes or is it symbolic of surface grade transit?

Looks like a symbolic surface grade transit stops representation. Not "streetcar" style. The "stations" are shown as bigger circles, while the surface "stops" are shown a smaller circles.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Similar to Boston's Green Line representions...

From link.

 

[MisterF]

The map says "Service operates at street level, typically in the centre of the roadway." It doesn't call it streetcar style. That's just someone's interpretation.

This map or a version of it should be on every TTC subway car.