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[Mulder]

Who cares about OLG? I don't know anyone who bets NFL games on it, they use Internet sites and Vegas, the NFL can't stop this.

It's OLG that's the issue. There are already hundreds of thousands people who bet on NFL games via this method.

If it's Rogers that owns the broadcast rights and the team (same would go with Bell) Profits on the team covers the expense of broadcast. Not the best, but it only needs to work at the beginning assuming there's an uptake in the fanbase by the time the contract is renewed and costs are justified. And yes, they'll have to max out the salary cap and get quality players (and exchange rate doesn't help either.)

Where are the profits of the team coming from? NFL teams break even right now from the television contract. As I said, a Canadian broadcaster would have to match on a per team basis for NFL owners to not lose profit.

What way would a media coming owning it work? Look at Blue Jays. Who can hide their losses though cell services & TV advertisements.
Hey! Lets watch a Rogers own team, play in a Rogers owned stadium, on a Rogers owned TV station being subjected to advertisements for Rogers products and services. How does that team make money? The cost increase for your Rogers products and services.

So even if it's down to just the GTHA or southern and eastern Ontario, you're still drawing on 8 million + people.

Half of which are immigrants who really have no use for the north American version of "Football"

Again, have to disagree. The link below refers to the rumour from November regarding Jon Bon Jovi, but there's also lots of comments from Lieweke and Tannenbaum stating they talk to bon Jovi about moving an NFL team. Yes the rumour was dismissed, but I feel that was out of respect for Ralph Wilson and Bills fans. No one ever denied the comments from Lieweke.

And 30 years ago they said the same thing, "An NFL team will be in Toronto in 10 years" Why would Bon Jovi want to own a team in Toronto? I understand the article, but the reasoning doesn't make sense, other than to pump up the minority who want the NFL in Toronto

No Stadium? They only need a temporary Stadium to start and the Skydome could suffice, or the York U Pan Am stadium.

You obviously haven't seen the York U stadium. Who is going to fund this theoretical billion dollar stadium?

No levels government is going to fund an NFL stadium without another major purpose. That purpose being the Olympics. Seeing as Toronto is not bidding for the 2024 games, and if a US City wins 2024 games Toronto won't have a chance at hosting until 2036. (assuming rotation)

No single individual is going to fund it either, and that leaves a seat license. Good luck finding 40,000 people to pay $20,000 each.

 

[GenerationW]

Jon Bon Jovi is the 30% owner (as required by the NFL) and Rogers/Bell and others (lieweke and tannenbaum, MLSE owns the rest)

So you're the one who believed that Jon Bon Jovi story.

As I recall it was idle speculation by David Shoalts, and Bon Jovi denied it days after it came out.

 

[junior43]

It's OLG that's the issue. There are already hundreds of thousands people who bet on NFL games via this method.

It's a bit tangential, but I don't think OLG should even be involved in sports betting (or casinos) in the first place. Leave it to the casinos and internet.

I was against the casino in Toronto, but not because of the betting (addicts will find way bet if they want to). But because the government shouldn't be involved in the first place, and more importantly, because it would only syphon off betting (and more importantly jobs) from the satellite casinos (Niagara, blue heron, casino rama). The government should only be running lotteries (6/49, super 7 and scratch and wins) and just monitor and license private casinos (and tax the crap out of them).

Where are the profits of the team coming from? NFL teams break even right now from the television contract. As I said, a Canadian broadcaster would have to match on a per team basis for NFL owners to not lose profit.

What way would a media coming owning it work? Look at Blue Jays. Who can hide their losses though cell services & TV advertisements.
Hey! Lets watch a Rogers own team, play in a Rogers owned stadium, on a Rogers owned TV station being subjected to advertisements for Rogers products and services. How does that team make money? The cost increase for your Rogers products and services.

It's all part of their plan, they want to own the content and distribute it. Whether it makes them money or not will make them decide whether it's worth it. If the Jays are such a money loser why did they add so much salary last year? They must be doing something right.

Half of which are immigrants who really have no use for the north American version of "Football"

Right, so why is there a TV channel for Hockey Night in Punjabi, if they have no use for North American sports? Same thing could happen to Football.

And 30 years ago they said the same thing, "An NFL team will be in Toronto in 10 years" Why would Bon Jovi want to own a team in Toronto? I understand the article, but the reasoning doesn't make sense, other than to pump up the minority who want the NFL in Toronto

Ummm, because thirty years ago, Jon Bon Jovi had like two hits (and no where near as as much money as now) and Ralph Wilson was 65. Now Ralph's 95 and already stated the team is up for sale upon his passing. Now Jon Bon Jovi has tonnes of money and wants a team. Everyone generally agrees, it's the next team likely up for sale. That article also mentioned Tannenbaum has 500 million he has access to thanks to the Leafs. So if it's not Bon Jovi, there is him too.

You obviously haven't seen the York U stadium. Who is going to fund this theoretical billion dollar stadium?

No levels government is going to fund an NFL stadium without another major purpose. That purpose being the Olympics. Seeing as Toronto is not bidding for the 2024 games, and if a US City wins 2024 games Toronto won't have a chance at hosting until 2036. (assuming rotation)

Partially true, but the price of getting football up here isn't just for the team, they should have factored in the stadium as well, obviously. If you're willing to spend a billion on a last place team, you should already be cognisant of additional costs. Also, the stadium could then be used for any pointless Olympics bid or FIFA World Cup. Giving the governent an excuse to fund part of it as well.

No single individual is going to fund it either, and that leaves a seat license. Good luck finding 40,000 people to pay $20,000 each.

Sign me up, and I know half a dozen more ready. Obviously not representative of the entire population, but you also need to factor in the corporate suites too. As I mentioned in another post, this would be extremely beneficial to all the banks and brokerages up here in getting clients to visit. These corps would be buying suites and tickets at these prices and not even blink.

In fact, I'd almost prefer seat licenses, it's a form of real estate, albeit far more speculative. And if we do win an Olympics or World Cup. Cha Ching!

Inevitably there would be municipal and Provincial money involved in the stadium as well (and I'd be ok with that to a certain extent), but as I've mentioned before there are huge tourism benefits to having an NFL team as well.

 

[junior43]

So you're the one who believed that Jon Bon Jovi story.

As I recall it was idle speculation by David Shoalts, and Bon Jovi denied it days after it came out.

Check the link I posted earlier from the star, it also involved quotes from Lieweke and Tannenbaum. Where there's smoke, there's fire........

 

[ChesterCopperpot]

There's no quotes from Tannenbaum in that article. The only quotes are from Leiweke - which don't really amount to much

 

[junior43]

There's no quotes from Tannenbaum in that article. The only quotes are from Leiweke - which don't really amount to much

So him already being involved in an attempt to get a team for la doesn't mean anything? Him talking to bon jovi about it regularly doesn't mean anything? Did he ever deny his comments? Sure it's speculative, but the bills are primed to be moved. Torontos the logical spot, same for the raiders, or rams or chargers to la.

I'm not saying it's a definite, but we have a serious chance that everyone's discounted. There's three options for la and the nfl wants to keep the bills in the region.

 

[ChesterCopperpot]

And how successful was he in trying to get an NFL team to LA? Leiweke talks a lot - let's see him get some results

 

[gweed123]

They went from 6 divisions to 8 in their last major restructuring. Doubt they'd ever go back to 6.

It's a moot point anyway. Beyond the occasional rumour, the NFL has shown zero interest in expanding beyond 32. Any movement into new markets will almost certainly come from moving existing teams.

They don't need more teams, Bills> Toronto, Raiders>LA, and Jags>London if Goodell is crazy enough for the last one......

That's true. 3 potential teams for 2 viable locations. I was just responding to the comment about a potential expansion team in LA. I don't think it's beyond reasonable that both LA and Toronto will have NFL teams by the close of the decade.

And yes, 32 does seem like the perfect number. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NHL and MLB move to 32 teams as well within the decade, NHL more-so though after the unbalanced realignment.

 

[Mulder]

It's all part of their plan, they want to own the content and distribute it. Whether it makes them money or not will make them decide whether it's worth it. If the Jays are such a money loser why did they add so much salary last year? They must be doing something right.

Fans were sick of seeing the second coming of the expo's. They had to do something to attract people to the stadium.

Right, so why is there a TV channel for Hockey Night in Punjabi, if they have no use for North American sports? Same thing could happen to Football.

First off, this isn't what I said. I said north american football.
Secondly, ratings wise, doesn't show it to be a huge success. Which is why CBC cancelled it in the first place. But that's a different topic.

Ummm, because thirty years ago, Jon Bon Jovi had like two hits (and no where near as as much money as now) and Ralph Wilson was 65. Now Ralph's 95 and already stated the team is up for sale upon his passing. Now Jon Bon Jovi has tonnes of money and wants a team. Everyone generally agrees, it's the next team likely up for sale. That article also mentioned Tannenbaum has 500 million he has access to thanks to the Leafs. So if it's not Bon Jovi, there is him too.

No offense, this is a pretty naive comment. You could goto any point in the last 30 years and just replace names of those who want to bring an NFL team to Toronto. Inserting Bon Jovi seems to be today's fad.

Partially true, but the price of getting football up here isn't just for the team, they should have factored in the stadium as well, obviously. If you're willing to spend a billion on a last place team, you should already be cognisant of additional costs. Also, the stadium could then be used for any pointless Olympics bid or FIFA World Cup. Giving the governent an excuse to fund part of it as well.

You're talking 1 Billion for a team, 1 Billion for a stadium and X00 million for a relocation fee.

Sign me up, and I know half a dozen more ready. Obviously not representative of the entire population, but you also need to factor in the corporate suites too.

Congrats, 40% of Canadians's don't want a team here, and 40% would only accept a team if it doesn't hurt the CFL. A

As I mentioned in another post, this would be extremely beneficial to all the banks and brokerages up here in getting clients to visit. These corps would be buying suites and tickets at these prices and not even blink.

Again, overstating. These "corps" would be buying leafs tickets still. They may buy suites at the start. But after the lease expires they'll drop em. See Skydome & Bluejays as a legit example.

 

[TOareaFan]

just came here to see if there was any update on the stadium expansion and let people know there is a meeting at the Queen Elizabeth Building right now about the expansion.....at least one person (@TFCLeafnation) is tweeting images out from the meeting.

All this NFL talk is funny........if there is one thing that proves NFL is a TV driven league it is how successful the league has been without a team in LA. LA losing its teams did something amazing for the league.....it ended them having to blackout broadcasts in that market (while the attendance was always strong it was in the huge Coliseum and since the blackout is based on selling a % of seats sold rather than a fixed number...there were often days that there were 70k people at games in LA but the TV blackout remained)....ending blackouts in that very important market gave a big boost in the value of their TV contract.

So, once you see how important TV is, you realize how likely a team in London really is. Not only because it would open up and increase the value of European TV deals....but they would give a huge boost the value of the American TV rights too. Right now the networks bid and fight over, basically, 3 timeslots for live games on a Sunday. (Eastern times) 1pm, 4pm and night games.....adding a London based team opens up a whole new timeslot for live game broadcasting.....11 a.m.! A 4 pm kickoff in London England means there are 8 more live games, with an exclusive call on viewers eyes, that would be available for broadcast......currently NBC/Fox/CBS each pay around $3B a year for TV rights.....that extra live game up for bids could bring a lot of money from the networks.......London can bring to the NFL what no other city currently can.....an additional TV rights fee that is in the billions.

 

[TOareaFan]

In fact, I'd almost prefer seat licenses, it's a form of real estate, albeit far more speculative. And if we do win an Olympics or World Cup. Cha Ching!

Hate to bust your speculation bubble here but seat licenses would exclude events like the Olympics or World Cup. Both the IOC and FIFA insist on full control of stadiums used for their events including all revenue streams and licenses. Even stadium naming rights don't include those events (small local example, when the FIFA U-20 world cup was in Canada, BMO Field was renamed....and to add insult to injury, one of FIFA's main Canadian partners is CIBC so the renamed stadium was festooned with CIBC advertising.

Any stadium that sold seat licenses that did not exclude those events from the licensee's privileges would just be defacto ruling themselves out of having their stadium used.

 

[ChesterCopperpot]

Thanks for the heads up TO

 

[ChesterCopperpot]

More plans

 

[TOareaFan]

Hearing that one of the big issues is traffic if the stadium is increased to 30k (40k for special events).

One idea......don't close the Jameson ramp to the WB Gardiner/QEW.....leave that on-ramp open and actually encourage its use by closing the lane for about a mile east of there so that people can get down the ramp, onto the Gardiner and away from the stadium area.

 

[Automation Gallery]

Hearing that one of the big issues is traffic if the stadium is increased to 30k (40k for special events).

Lol, did they forget that Exhibition Stadium had a capacity of 55k