rdaner
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And so it begins!
Toronto 309 Cherry Street | 162.2m | 49s | Castlepoint Numa | SvN
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This is all from a March 16, 2023 resubmission, so up-to-date. Shorter than what was proposed before, while denser. It's still much taller than WaterfrontToronto has been envisioning for this site… but it's in line with those looking to add more density in the Port Lands than had been envisioned.
http://app.toronto.ca/AIC/index.do?folderRsn=UHejxTFEHV2B4tjuaVKr8w==
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http://app.toronto.ca/AIC/index.do?folderRsn=UHejxTFEHV2B4tjuaVKr8w==
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rdaner
Senior Member
Can we call the residents of Villiers Island Villians?! 
taal
Senior Member
I assume those are just placeholders from an architecture perspective correct ?
Northern Light
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These are so poorly formed as ideas.
Ugh.
I get it, they just want to get the zoning/massing done at this stage........but it just doesn't feel like a complete thought on which such a decision should be based.
I assume the height is outside of the Billy Bishop conflict zone.
The IBI landscape plans are not particularly well thought out (dull, basic and incomplete)
They haven't selected their tree species yet. Again, I get it, the problem is different species will require different conditions and you ought to have some idea what you hope to do so that you can make sure the conditions match appropriately.
Their soil volumes all work out to 30m3 per tree. Which, is the minimum the City will allow. In this context, higher would be strongly preferred.
I don't see any evidence of road salt mitigation in this design.
On Villiers they seem to want to 'pave' over the trees (presumably with interlock)......in a word, 'no'
Same with Cherry:
Hold on....2M in cross-section A and B wouldn't even pass accessibility standards; the sidewalk widths here are entirely inappropriate to the proposed density.
Ugh.
I get it, they just want to get the zoning/massing done at this stage........but it just doesn't feel like a complete thought on which such a decision should be based.
I assume the height is outside of the Billy Bishop conflict zone.
The IBI landscape plans are not particularly well thought out (dull, basic and incomplete)
They haven't selected their tree species yet. Again, I get it, the problem is different species will require different conditions and you ought to have some idea what you hope to do so that you can make sure the conditions match appropriately.
Their soil volumes all work out to 30m3 per tree. Which, is the minimum the City will allow. In this context, higher would be strongly preferred.
I don't see any evidence of road salt mitigation in this design.
On Villiers they seem to want to 'pave' over the trees (presumably with interlock)......in a word, 'no'
Same with Cherry:
Hold on....2M in cross-section A and B wouldn't even pass accessibility standards; the sidewalk widths here are entirely inappropriate to the proposed density.
HousingNowTO
Senior Member
Do we assume that at this point (Year 5+) of negotiations between WaterfrontTO, the Developer/Land Owner and Toronoto City Planning - this new massing (47 & 39 & 8 storeys) is "pretty much" what all the parties have agreed to in advance of a forthcoming settlement..?
Noting that the most recent hearing on March 13, 2023 was "Adjourned".- https://jus-olt-prod.powerappsporta...ails/?id=61647017-eab1-ec11-9840-002248ada665
There are so many factors at play in the Port Lands that I don't personally feel comfortable enough to take a guess as to what is holding things up at the moment. All I know is that this doesn't mesh with the long-held vision for the area… but then the long-held vision is being re-thought in order to bring more housing in, whether it's this typology that Waterfront Toronto is looking for or not, I dunno.
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Koops65
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Still sticks out like a sore thumb:
tstormers
Senior Member
In regards to the heights, they might be an issue based off of your post in the Lower Donlands thread below about the flight paths. We had to ensure our buildings at Cloverdale Mall were under a fairly large safety path height for Pearson Airport. These seem to cut through.
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At Preservation Board next week:
SEE: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/pb/bgrd/backgroundfile-241180.pdf
1. City Council state its intention to designate the property at 309 Cherry Street under Part IV, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act in accordance with the Statement of Significance; 309 Cherry Street (Reasons for Designation) attached as Attachment 3, to the report, November 16, 2023, from the Senior Manager, Heritage Planning, Urban Design, City Planning:
2. If there are no objections to the designation, City Council authorize the City Solicitor to introduce the Bill in Council designating the property under Part IV, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act.
SEE: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/pb/bgrd/backgroundfile-241180.pdf
PB12.4 - 309 Cherry Street - Notice of Intention to Designate a Property under Part IV, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act
Consideration Type: ACTIONWard: 14 - Toronto - DanforthOrigin
(November 16, 2023) Report from the Senior Manager, Heritage Planning, Urban Design, City PlanningRecommendations
The Senior Manager, Heritage Planning, Urban Design, City Planning recommends that:1. City Council state its intention to designate the property at 309 Cherry Street under Part IV, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act in accordance with the Statement of Significance; 309 Cherry Street (Reasons for Designation) attached as Attachment 3, to the report, November 16, 2023, from the Senior Manager, Heritage Planning, Urban Design, City Planning:
2. If there are no objections to the designation, City Council authorize the City Solicitor to introduce the Bill in Council designating the property under Part IV, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act.
Just recording that this was adopted without amendment at the Preservation Board's December 7, 2023 meeting, moving this one a step closer to being built.
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Northern Light
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The above 'Intention to Designate' Report is now on to the agenda of next week's Planning and Housing Ctte.
drum118
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The few remaining Buildings and Structures "NEED" to be retain as part of our history on the waterfront.
What was vision by Waterfront Toronto in the early 2000's has gone out the window by developers and I have no issues with it in many places,
rdaner
Senior Member
I am cross-posting this from Drum118’s update in the main Portlands thread. If I am reading it correctly this is much, much sooner than I expected!
‘The 2 stop light west of Commissioner bridge are for the first development site block, new roads as well the plan QQE LRT loop if it every get built.
The is no connection for Munition St to connect to Commissioner St and it looks like it will not happen anytime soon.
Hording and tree protection going up for 309 Cherry St site. Using scaffolding framing on both sides of the trees that I haven't seen being used anywhere for site to date and it looks to be 10-15 feet tall.
Due Time restriction, visit my site https://www.flickr.com/photos/drum118/ to see updated photos of projects shot the last few weeks since I don't have the time to post them to various threads.
See my videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/Transitdrum118’
‘The 2 stop light west of Commissioner bridge are for the first development site block, new roads as well the plan QQE LRT loop if it every get built.
The is no connection for Munition St to connect to Commissioner St and it looks like it will not happen anytime soon.
Hording and tree protection going up for 309 Cherry St site. Using scaffolding framing on both sides of the trees that I haven't seen being used anywhere for site to date and it looks to be 10-15 feet tall.
Due Time restriction, visit my site https://www.flickr.com/photos/drum118/ to see updated photos of projects shot the last few weeks since I don't have the time to post them to various threads.
See my videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/Transitdrum118’
Northern Light
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Development is not imminent here.
The OLT has not ruled.
Indeed, this one will next appear at a CMC on June 4th, 2024.
No new docs have been filed since March '23.
There is no SPA filed.
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Had a quick glance at the Designation Report up thread. Interesting photo from just after 309 was constructed:
There are no building permits in process or issued at this site.