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Toronto 2015 Pan American Games

Everything will be spread out like crazy. It's pretty ridiculous.

Toronto would host only 3 sports:

-Opening/Closing Ceremonies at Rogers Centre
-Soccer at BMO Field
-Basketball at Air Canada Centre
-Baseball at Rogers Centre


And are they gonna call this a Toronto Pan Ams??? Give me a break. This is a joke. Toronto will not get any new venues out of this.

Toronto needs to be the centre of this bid just like their Olympic bid plan. If it's not, I'd rather have the city pull out of this. Why be the bridesmaid????
 
The last thing poor old run down Toronto needs is the Olympics. Please leave Toronto out of this nightmare. I was in Atlanta when they hosted the Olympics and it as nothing short of a complete nightmare. It cost a fortune and everything was slapped up or sprayed together with no consideration for anything but the uncaring eye of the television camera.
 
This is not the Olympics Mystic, this is the Pan Am Games. You are right though. The Pan Ams would have a higher net cost to host, and not have the positive externalities of world-wide exposure.
 
Mystic, Atlanta is the worst example of an Olympic Games in its history, so it's no surprise you have such an opinion of the games in general. When done properly, the Olympics have the opportunity to do some great things for cities (92 in Barcelona being a great example) but it entirely depends on organization and leadership.



As for the Pan Am, from a Toronto-centric POV, it'll be barely a blip on the radar, but its impact on Golden Horseshoe communities will be good. Toronto itself needs the Olympics in order to have a significant impact, but For cities like St Catharines, an event of this magnitude would be extremely important. Its impact on local economies would be pretty significant, and to me that makes it worthwhile. Obviously there are some logistical issues when you have events spread over hundreds of kilometres, but there's ways to iron these things out. Perhaps it'll spur some better Gotransit development and service, or maybe they'll space the events in a way that creates more of a wave across the GH, thereby making it easier for participants and spectators.
 
Well I've just been informed by someone who is indeed close within the government and the bidding circle for this Pan Ams bid. The majority of the events will indeed be taking place in Toronto.

We also may get a big crown jewel out of this bid too. Let's just keep it at that for now!!:D
 
Given how badly mismanaged Toronto is, one can only contemplate the complete chaos and impending disaster something like the Olympics would be if staged here. Add to this scenario the assistance of the Federal and Provincial Governments and you have a recipe for a nightmare that would never end.
 
Given how badly mismanaged Toronto is, one can only contemplate the complete chaos and impending disaster something like the Olympics would be if staged here. Add to this scenario the assistance of the Federal and Provincial Governments and you have a recipe for a nightmare that would never end.

Mystic, as it most likely would be challenging managing and running an Olympics I just think your going over the top with this. I don't think it would be a disaster. Toronto Officials had a great Olympic plan back for 2008, I doubt it was be a total nightmare. Relax!!! The city won't have a chance at landing them in a while if Chicago ends up winning the 2016 Olympics when the winners announced in 2009.

The Pan Ams are much smaller in size and would be a great test for the city before it puts in another Olympic bid later on.
 
^ Exactly. In fact Toronto's bids for 1996 and 2008 were so good that many countries that have bid since have taken ideas and schemes from the Toronto bids. We just happened to be bidding against bribes and Coca-Cola in 96 and the largest and fastest growing economy in the world in 08.
 
A SPORTING CHANCE FOR TOURISM
Miller backs potential bid for 2015 Pan Am Games
JENNIFER LEWINGTON
April 2, 2008


An Ontario bid for the 2015 Pan American Games, with events across the Golden Horseshoe, would be "very good" for Toronto, Mayor David Miller said yesterday.

He made his comments after Premier Dalton McGuinty again signalled the province's interest in a bid next year for the amateur games.

"We think it's worth taking a good look at," the Premier said yesterday at Queen's Park. "We haven't seen details but ... it's something we should closely examine."

Mr. McGuinty said the event would help put Toronto and surrounding region on the map, adding he would like to "chat with the feds" about infrastructure funding to leave a sports legacy for communities.

Government-sponsored events such as the Games are often seen as a way to boost tourism. But private investors can play a large role in sporting events, as well as cultural events and other attractions. Last week, for example, Toronto was named as one of the host cities for the 2009 World Baseball Classic, a commercial venture of Major League Baseball.

"The future is about how to do both better," said Ontario MPP Greg Sorbara, the influential former finance minister tapped to spur the global competitiveness of the province's $20-billion tourism industry.

Beyond his personal passion for the game, Mr. Sorbara said, the World Baseball Classic is "the kind of activity we want to encourage and promote."

Though private-sector driven, the event would also derive benefits for the region through government tourism marketing. "Most of this stuff is driven by the private sector, even when the public sector has a catalytic role to play," he said.

Toronto Blue Jays president Paul Godfrey led the charge to bring first-round play in the World Baseball Classic here next March. He sees "massive untapped potential" for other new attractions that blend public and private dollars.

"To keep Toronto fresh, alive and vibrant, you have to have a number of events going on all the time," he said. "We are missing some."

The former Metro Toronto chairman, still a go-to figure in the political life of the city, dreams of a National Football League franchise here and backs efforts to revive the Grand Prix auto race next year.

"Government is not going to bring in the car race; it is a commercial enterprise," he said. "Government is not going to build an aquarium and government is not going to bring in an NFL team."

Figuring out the right mix of public and private investment is a key issue for Mr. Sorbara. "If we are successful here," he said of his study, which is due next March, "the public sector will act as a stimulus and we will see a new generation of private sector investment."

One example of a public-private venture is the $62.9-million soccer stadium at Exhibition Place, built with federal, provincial and city government dollars along with money from Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, for the 2007 FIFA under-20 World Cup soccer tournament.

BMO Field is city-owned but managed by MLSE. In the first eight months of operations in 2007, the stadium generated $900,000 in profits, split 50-50 between the city and MLSE.

Richard Peddie, president of MLSE, is interested in future shared ventures. "We can really help in that area," he said.

The company has invested $450-million in Maple Leaf Square, under construction, with a boutique hotel, sports store and sports bar set to open in 2010.

He says MLSE has ambitious plans to play host to one big sports event almost every year. He hopes the city and province will back bids to land an NBA all-star game (possibly in 2011) or the world junior hockey championships in 2012.

"In each case, these are not money-makers," he said. "We will request government help."

He added that U.S. cities "really step up" financially for such events because of the payback: hotels filled with out-of-town tourists with money to spend and a media spotlight on the city.
 
Bring IRL to Exhibition Place every summer and we'll see 150,000+ visitors. Get to work boys because there are other venues who want this race. Stop wasting time on these money losing games and call Tony George and get Toronto back on the circuit, then you'll see tourist flocking back to TO in hoards.
 
Considering it looks like the Federal and Provincial government is going to finance 70% of this and the rest will be covered by revenues brought in by the Games why not go for it. I think we should host an event like this to test the water and see how well we perform as a host city in preparations for a future Olympic bid for 2020 or 2024.
 
Pan Am Games Bid Moves Forward

4/7/2008

Hamilton is officially part of a bid to bring the 2015 Pan Am Games to the Golden Horseshoe.

Local politicians have voted overwhelmingly to authorize the city's participation in the process, which is being driven by the Canadian Olympic Committee.

Councillors have been assured that the cost of chasing the bid will be borne by the provincial government. The city would ultimately be responsible for about 30% of the cost of any venues that would be built in Hamilton.

Mayor Eisenberger remains hopeful that the city could ultimately get a new stadium out of the process.

With the Pan Am bid in the forefront, City Councillors have also voted to hold off for now on deciding whether to pursue the International Expo in 2017.
 
How can you compare Expo 2017 to the Pan Am games? There are conventions we could get that would bring more attention than the Pan Am games. What next? Holding of on an Olympics 2024 decision to see if we can get a high school track meet? I would prefer Hamilton won the Pan Am games for themselves because it is a distraction for Toronto to focus on it at all.
 
I was thinking the same thing - why not let Hamilton host the Pan-Am games on its own? They need it a lot more than Toronto does, and we should focus on more important things anyway.
 

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